HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably

[JKTex]

So, this bill seems to be moving along. What are the plans to derail or change it up? Do we still think it's not going to make it through?

If you tweet, try @mohawkjohn to find out what you need to know about things.

Can you share, or is it a secret Tweet thing?

[Paragrouper]

So, this bill seems to be moving along. What are the plans to derail or change it up? Do we still think it's not going to make it through?

If you tweet, try @mohawkjohn to find out what you need to know about things.

Hey, I twittered my way over there and all I could find is:


Mohawk-John@mohawkjohn view full profile →
iPhone: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX Virginia Tech 2007 alum, UT-Austin bioinformaticist and Ph.D. student, violence prevention activist. http://texas.gunfreeschools.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How does this pertain to the thread?

[PATHFINDER]

I am a member of the Lone Star Citizen's Defense League, and I have been investing my time, and financial resources into the effort to restore respect for the right to bear arms in Texas that is declared in Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to be reserved to "every citizen" in Texas.

This RIGHT we talk about so much is constitutionally INVIOLATE (Article 1, Section 29) in that the Legislature may only regulate , by law, the CRIMINAL wearing of arms. We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are committed to pushing back against the Reconstruction Era policies of State government, and the Neo-Reconstructionists mentality that has over-stayed its welcome by 140 years in Texas.

I AM a CHL holder . The supporters of HB 2756 ARE predominantly CHL holders. This bill will become law , and the criminal penalty for intentional failure to conceal will be repealed because it is unconstitutional , and the majority in the Texas Legislature realizes that fact, and supports the bill. That means that the CHL holder will have the option of making his or her own determination as to whether to conceal or display for personal safety.

Armed entry into private premises commonly open to the public is a matter for the acountants of every business enterprise to determine. That private determination is deserving of the respect of all who choose to enter, and engage in commerce with them.

I testified in favor of HB 2756 before the Public Safety Subcommittee, along side two other LSCDL members, and three other CHL holders who traveled to Austin that day motivated by their conviction that the bill is good law and Texas needs it passed.

Gun Owners of America is in support of HB 2756 - as well as the committment of the Lone Star Citizen's League to restore the constitutional right to bear arms in Texas. Sadly, the NRA has been missing in action during this effort.Lone Star Citizen's Defense League is committed to assist in the legal defense of any member who is unlawfully charged with an offense under a Texas statute that runs counter to Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution. Is that not worth a membership fee?

We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are recruiting "Hard Chargers". The active members of LSCDL are using our own resources to advance the right to bear arms in Texas. We hope to attract others who are equally committed to the declaration of rights in Article 1 of the Texas Constitution . We don't want your membership fee. We want your passion , and committment to the cause of liberty. Check us out - if you want to do more than just talk about gun laws in Texas ?

Decide for yourself. Am I a "Troll" ?

My name is Jim Sherwood. I reside in Arlington, Texas, , and I am one of the legislative directors of Lone Star Citizen's Defense League.

http://www.gunowners.org/sa05052011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (click GOA STATE alerts box)

http://www.lonestarcdl.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[johnferg69]

I am a member of the Lone Star Citizen's Defense League, and I have been investing my time, and financial resources into the effort to restore respect for the right to bear arms in Texas that is declared in Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to be reserved to "every citizen" in Texas.

This RIGHT we talk about so much is constitutionally INVIOLATE (Article 1, Section 29) in that the Legislature may only regulate , by law, the CRIMINAL wearing of arms. We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are committed to pushing back against the Reconstruction Era policies of State government, and the Neo-Reconstructionists mentality that has over-stayed its welcome by 140 years in Texas.

I AM a CHL holder . The supporters of HB 2756 ARE predominantly CHL holders. This bill will become law , and the criminal penalty for intentional failure to conceal will be repealed because it is unconstitutional , and the majority in the Texas Legislature realizes that fact, and supports the bill. That means that the CHL holder will have the option of making his or her own determination as to whether to conceal or display for personal safety.

Armed entry into private premises commonly open to the public is a matter for the acountants of every business interprise to determine. That private determination is deserving of the respect of all who choose to enter, and engage in commerce with them.

I testified in favor of HB 2756 before the Public Safety Subcommitte, along side two other LSCDL members, and three other CHL holders who traveled to Austin that day motivated by their conviction that the bill is good law and Texas needs it passed.

Gun Owners of America is in support of HB 2756 - as well as the committment of the Lone Star Citizen's League to restore the constitutional right to bear arms in Texas. Sadly, the NRA has been missing in action during this effort.Lone Star Citizen's Defense League is committed to assist in the legal defense of any member who is unlawfully charged with an offense under a Texas statute that runs counter to Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution. Is that not worth a membership fee?

We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are recruiting "Hard Chargers". The active members of LSCDL are using our own resources to advance the right to bear arms in Texas. We hope to attract others who are equally committed to the declaration of rights in Article 1 of the Texas Constitution . We don't want your membership fee. We want your passion , and committment to the cause of liberty. Check us out - if you want to do more than just talk about gun laws in Texas ?

Decide for yourself. Am I a "Troll" ?

My name is Jim Sherwood. I reside in Arlington, Texas, , and I am one of the legislative directors of Lone Star Citizen's Defense League.

http://www.gunowners.org/sa05052011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (click GOA STATE alerts box)

http://www.lonestarcdl.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm pretty new here so I got a question. Are you one of those"horse mouth" "bomb-throwers" I read about?

[pcgizzmo]

[jlangton]

I'm afraid if open carry passes we will see a lot more 30.06 postings.
The state needs to hurry up and pass the parking lot bill though.

Something to think about.....With just the thought of parking lot and campus carry passing-I've seen valid 30.06 signs go up at several of my daily visited locations. When I inquired at 2 of those locations as to the nature of those signs, their response was "So people that carry guns in their cars if that new law passes can't bring them inside the building here".
Just something to think about in all of this huffing and puffing about increased 30.06 postings.
IMO, if/when the Parking Lot/Campus Carry bills pass-you'll see a HUGE increase in the number of 30.06 signs posted.
JL

30.06 will not apply to an employee if their gun is left in the car in the parking lot. HOWEVER, it WILL apply to a non-employee with a CHL in the parking lot, but not someone under MPA.

I understand that, but the entire point was that these locations prior to all of this "parking lot bill" media attention had absolutely no signage whatsoever,and didn't care. Now that they are more "aware", they're posting 30.06 signs. Since this last legislative session has started, and the associated media coverage-the number of signs I'm encountering on my daily "rounds" is increasing regularly. Prior to this, I had not seen a single new 30.06 posting in several years.
JL

What part of southeast Texas are you in? I haven't seen one single new sign in the Houston area.

Chas.

Charles, I work in the Beaumont/Port Arthur area.
JL

[Paragrouper]

I am a member of the Lone Star Citizen's Defense League, and I have been investing my time, and financial resources into the effort to restore respect for the right to bear arms in Texas that is declared in Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to be reserved to "every citizen" in Texas.

This RIGHT we talk about so much is constitutionally INVIOLATE (Article 1, Section 29) in that the Legislature may only regulate , by law, the CRIMINAL wearing of arms. We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are committed to pushing back against the Reconstruction Era policies of State government, and the Neo-Reconstructionists mentality that has over-stayed its welcome by 140 years in Texas.

I AM a CHL holder . The supporters of HB 2756 ARE predominantly CHL holders. This bill will become law , and the criminal penalty for intentional failure to conceal will be repealed because it is unconstitutional , and the majority in the Texas Legislature realizes that fact, and supports the bill. That means that the CHL holder will have the option of making his or her own determination as to whether to conceal or display for personal safety.

Armed entry into private premises commonly open to the public is a matter for the acountants of every business enterprise to determine. That private determination is deserving of the respect of all who choose to enter, and engage in commerce with them.

I testified in favor of HB 2756 before the Public Safety Subcommittee, along side two other LSCDL members, and three other CHL holders who traveled to Austin that day motivated by their conviction that the bill is good law and Texas needs it passed.

Gun Owners of America is in support of HB 2756 - as well as the committment of the Lone Star Citizen's League to restore the constitutional right to bear arms in Texas. Sadly, the NRA has been missing in action during this effort.Lone Star Citizen's Defense League is committed to assist in the legal defense of any member who is unlawfully charged with an offense under a Texas statute that runs counter to Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution. Is that not worth a membership fee?

We at Lone Star Citizen's Defense League are recruiting "Hard Chargers". The active members of LSCDL are using our own resources to advance the right to bear arms in Texas. We hope to attract others who are equally committed to the declaration of rights in Article 1 of the Texas Constitution . We don't want your membership fee. We want your passion , and committment to the cause of liberty. Check us out - if you want to do more than just talk about gun laws in Texas ?

Decide for yourself. Am I a "Troll" ?

My name is Jim Sherwood. I reside in Arlington, Texas, , and I am one of the legislative directors of Lone Star Citizen's Defense League.

http://www.gunowners.org/sa05052011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (click GOA STATE alerts box)

http://www.lonestarcdl.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sir,

That was certainly an impassioned post.

Unfortunately, you did not adequately address concerns raised by many members of the forum, myself included, regarding the impact this would have on CHL's by changing the wording of 30:06. If you want my support you need to realize that I do not carry a gun to make a political statement--I carry for self protection. I am very concerned with accessibility and I further believe the the practical disadvantages of open carry outweigh any possible advantages. Bottom line: OC is not high on my 'things to do list.'

I suggest that if you want my support that you work with the author of HB 2756 and amend the langauge into something that addresses my concerns. You may want to hurry, because time is running out on this session.

Good luck

[pcgizzmo]

Sir,

That was certainly an impassioned post.

Unfortunately, you did not adequately address concerns raised by many members of the forum, myself included, regarding the impact this would have on CHL's by changing the wording of 30:06. If you want my support you need to realize that I do not carry a gun to make a political statement--I carry for self protection. I am very concerned with accessibility and I further believe the the practical disadvantages of open carry outweigh any possible advantages. Bottom line: OC is not high on my 'things to do list.'

I suggest that if you want my support that you work with the author of HB 2756 and amend the langauge into something that addresses my concerns. You may want to hurry, because time is running out on this session.

Good luck

I don't think anyone can adequately answer that. Did anyone know when CHL's were first introduced there wouldn't be signs on every entrance? Just the stirring and comment's about gun law in the legislature probably get a few signs added around Texas because people hear about it. Get interested and worried etc... No one can ever predict the outcome of something like that. Just as there are those that worry about more signs going up w/this current bill NO ONE REALLY knows what will happen. It's all speculation.

[Mike1951]

I don't think anyone can adequately answer that. Did anyone know when CHL's were first introduced there wouldn't be signs on every entrance? Just the stirring and comment's about gun law in the legislature probably get a few signs added around Texas because people hear about it. Get interested and worried etc... No one can ever predict the outcome of something like that. Just as there are those that worry about more signs going up w/this current bill NO ONE REALLY knows what will happen. It's all speculation.

Were you here and involved with concealed carry in 1995-1997?

Signs DID go up everywhere! The epidemic of businesses posting no-gun signs is what created the need for 30.06 and its huge, ugly sign.

It went into effect September 1, 1997.

Those of us who remember don't want to see it again.

[Bullwhip]

Yes, having California style open carry is certainly worth pushing for.

Maybe we shouldn't count states where you have to carry a gun without ammo in it. Just a thought.

You can open carry legally (loaded) outside of city limits in California. Counties do have the option to prohibit it, but not all do.

So you can open carry a useful (i.e. loaded) gun in some counties in Cali. Yep, they should be on the list of states that are better on gun rights than Texas. Sheesh.

Limiting the discussion to open carry, I think it is valid to list California as one of the states with better laws than Texas.

Yup, there are legal ways to open carry in Texas (traveler, sporting activity), but most poeple are scared to try.

In the legal places in CA you dont' have to prove you're "doing something" that makes it legal. It's just legal because its not illegal.

[flintknapper]

Mike1951 wrote:

Were you here and involved with concealed carry in 1995-1997?

This question was not addressed to me...but I can answer it. Yes, I was here...had my CHL in '96.

Signs DID go up everywhere! The epidemic of businesses posting no-gun signs is what created the need for 30.06 and its huge, ugly sign.

NO, signs did not go up "everywhere", it very much depended upon where you lived. It was not a problem many places. Large cities and urban areas did experience the problem. Businesses were displaying small signs of different kinds.

One of the purposes of the 30.06 sign...was to have ONE sign that everyone could recognize. It is not by accident that the sign is large (conspicuous). Some businesses do not post it for this reason alone.

Even so, signs came down fairly quickly....right? It is actually fairly rare to see a 30.06 sign when you consider all the places of business out there.

Those of us who remember don't want to see it again.

And I don't think you would. Remember....CC (and the sign) have been around for about 15 yrs. CHL'ers have a good track record and we should be MORE public about that not less!

Take an honest look at society, there is very little that the populace is unwilling to accept. Yes, some things are "shocking" at first, then quickly ignored when it is proven there is nothing to make a stink about.

OC can be done in Texas, but there needs to be some preparatory work done first.

[johnferg69]

Help me out here. Unlike most of you I'm not a member of the BAR so I have a question. I read what I think was the HB2756 bill. It was on the legis.state.tx.us website so it may not be the one everyone commiting on. It looks like they just took the CC law and marked out "concealed" so it would read "carry a handgun". How would this possibly ban conceal carry? If it possibly bans conceal carry because its not expressly written wouldn't it possible ban open carry too because open carry is not expressly written?

[Keith B]

Help me out here. Unlike most of you I'm not a member of the BAR so I have a question. I read what I think was the HB2756 bill. It was on the legis.state.tx.us website so it may not be the one everyone commiting on. It looks like they just took the CC law and marked out "concealed" so it would read "carry a handgun". How would this possibly ban conceal carry? If it possibly bans conceal carry because its not expressly written wouldn't it possible ban open carry too because open carry is not expressly written?

The problem is the way the bill is written, it would be for LICENSED open carry. Once the word got out that people are going to be able to carry handguns in plain view, then many locations will be looking for how to keep them from doing it. And, the 30.06 would be valid for both concealed and open carry, so when they post the sign, it will prohibit ANY carry in the location. So, as written the bill is not a good option for CHL'ers.

[b322da]

Armed entry into private premises commonly open to the public is a matter for the acountants of every business enterprise to determine. That private determination is deserving of the respect of all who choose to enter, and engage in commerce with them.

"Acountants?" [sic]

Although one could argue that is better than by lawyers.

Elmo

[johnferg69]

Another question from a layman. Is oc a useless law? If every business throws up signs keeping firearms out what's the point? Is this why the NRA and TSRA wouldn't back a oc bill? I don't travel extensively travel outside Texas but why does so many other states have oc if you can't go anywhere? I mean, let's admit it, lots of people carry concealed with no license. Some are law abiding citizens(that think they can't qualify or feel they shouldn't need too), some aren't. If open carry was an option wouldn't more people apply for a carry license if its more visible and not a "concealed" right? The out of sight, out of mind right! Or is this not what we want? If more people apply and any initial shock wears off wouldn't many signs come down? Just asking.