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I love a happy ending!

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:18 pm
by Pawpaw

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:29 pm
by RPBrown
"Guster, a legal concealed carry permit holder, took cover behind his SUV, loaded his gun and returned fire on the two"

He was carrying his gun unloaded? Is this a law in WI?

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:58 pm
by parabelum
"...potential maximum prison term of 41 years." :hurry:

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:05 pm
by bblhd672
Better ending would have been a funeral announcement.

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:37 am
by chasfm11
Please pardon my skepticism but a lot of defendants "facing" charges seem to end up with less or even significantly less sentences. Mitigating circumstances come into play and suddenly 40-50 years ends up being 2 and the perp is back on the street in less than six months. I'm always amazed at the long rap sheets for some of the identified criminals. A quick calculation usually ends with the projection that they should have been in prison for another 20 years for their previous crimes when they committed their new crime.

I view sentencing guidelines like I do MSRP pricing in a discount store. It doesn't even seem to be a reference point.

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:44 am
by lildave40
chasfm11 wrote:Please pardon my skepticism but a lot of defendants "facing" charges seem to end up with less or even significantly less sentences. Mitigating circumstances come into play and suddenly 40-50 years ends up being 2 and the perp is back on the street in less than six months. I'm always amazed at the long rap sheets for some of the identified criminals. A quick calculation usually ends with the projection that they should have been in prison for another 20 years for their previous crimes when they committed their new crime.

I view sentencing guidelines like I do MSRP pricing in a discount store. It doesn't even seem to be a reference point.

Well we can always hope now can we?

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:46 am
by Jusme
chasfm11 wrote:Please pardon my skepticism but a lot of defendants "facing" charges seem to end up with less or even significantly less sentences. Mitigating circumstances come into play and suddenly 40-50 years ends up being 2 and the perp is back on the street in less than six months. I'm always amazed at the long rap sheets for some of the identified criminals. A quick calculation usually ends with the projection that they should have been in prison for another 20 years for their previous crimes when they committed their new crime.

I view sentencing guidelines like I do MSRP pricing in a discount store. It doesn't even seem to be a reference point.

:iagree:

Prosecutors will take plea bargains, to expedite the proceedings, and save money that that a trial would cost. Defense attorneys know that so they "lowball" the charges to something like simple assault and they start the "bargaining process, from there. How do you think "Affluenza kid" got away with four murders? If the prosecutors get the defendant to plea bargain, on one charge, then they will drop other charges that would increase the mandatory sentencing.

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:47 am
by warnmar10
took cover behind his SUV, loaded his gun and returned fire
Seriously?

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:50 am
by twomillenium
chasfm11 wrote:Please pardon my skepticism but a lot of defendants "facing" charges seem to end up with less or even significantly less sentences. Mitigating circumstances come into play and suddenly 40-50 years ends up being 2 and the perp is back on the street in less than six months. I'm always amazed at the long rap sheets for some of the identified criminals. A quick calculation usually ends with the projection that they should have been in prison for another 20 years for their previous crimes when they committed their new crime.

I view sentencing guidelines like I do MSRP pricing in a discount store. It doesn't even seem to be a reference point.
It is certainly better than hearing "if you have any information, please call crimestoppers".

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:17 am
by vjallen75
I like that he may be facing a longer sentence, don't like the fact that he could take a plea deal. Actually I don't like that at all, I understand what Jusme said about upkeep of the trial process. Sometimes, I wish DAs would just throw the book at repeat offenders.

Eric M. Booker is very lucky he is able to stand trial. I am glad Mr Guster refused to be a victim and defended himself.

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:20 am
by techenigma
vjallen75 wrote:Sometimes, I wish DAs would just throw the book at repeat offenders.
But then the DA can't save you money by accepting a plea. Makes their job substantially easier. All they have e to do is shuffle some paper then.

All states should have mandatory minimum sentences.

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:37 am
by vjallen75
techenigma wrote:But then the DA can't save you money by accepting a plea. Makes their job substantially easier. All they have e to do is shuffle some paper then.

All states should have mandatory minimum sentences.
That makes sense. It's frustrating that repeat offenders keep getting off easy and will continue to get off easy but some go to jail for a very long time for their first minor offense. Not that people shouldn't be punished for crimes.

Maybe your idea could make a difference.

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:58 am
by RHenriksen
RPBrown wrote:"Guster, a legal concealed carry permit holder, took cover behind his SUV, loaded his gun and returned fire on the two"

He was carrying his gun unloaded? Is this a law in WI?
Remember you're reading what a "journalist" thinks happened, not what may have *actually* happened. Many grains of salt.

Re: I love a happy ending!

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:34 am
by techenigma
RHenriksen wrote:
RPBrown wrote:"Guster, a legal concealed carry permit holder, took cover behind his SUV, loaded his gun and returned fire on the two"

He was carrying his gun unloaded? Is this a law in WI?
Remember you're reading what a "journalist" thinks happened, not what may have *actually* happened. Many grains of salt.
I usually lend credibility to the permit holder, LEO, or otherwise vetted individual. That's just me using what I think is sense