ATV riders in Richmond shoot dog

[jimlongley]

From a self-defense standpoint, the dog was not a factor. Had the riders shot at the ground, into the air, or just threatened to, the victim was facing a life-threatening situation and had the right to respond with deadly force. And if he did respond, suggesting that it was done in anger over the dog rather than fear for his life would be foolish.

Assuming that the victim shot the riders in response to the threat of shots fired from their weapon, how would the police determine the sequence of events as far as who drew first?

Not up to the police, they will likely just arrest and let the jury sort it out. Like I said before "Your Honor, they already shot my dog, twice, and I thought I was next."

[mikeloc]

I must admit I’ve not been around the dog-fighting crowd.

My point is that for most situations I can seldom see a reason a human should resort to shooting a dog. A rapid dog, okay. I realize that not everyone is Cesar Millan, but just because someone carries a handgun does not mean that should be the first option to controlling or avoiding dogs.

Just as we should not shoot people for killing dogs the dog killers should not be killing dogs just because they’re dogs.

Don't know what the dog fighting crack is supposed to mean. Doesn't seem to have any point unless you are implying something so I assume it's just a keyboard tourettes type of thing.

Great we can all agree that you shouldn't just go around shooting dogs for fun. Not that anyone here ever even hinted at that or has shown any support for sport killing of Fido. As far as firearms not being the first option in dog control. I wouldn't expect anyone to get bit to save someone elses dog. There is no chance to get shot records, to know how dangerous an animal is, or where that dog might be going. Now this case is a whole nother story and I'm not trying to say the dog should of been shot. The idea that you have to go thru some sort of steps, checklist, or what have you before you use a gun is absurd. I would just apply my boot to just about any mutt of almost any size and feel pretty comfortable that it will back the dog off. My 70 yo father should sure as heck not have to try anything before shooting any animal that threatens him.

My crack about the dogfights was that I am not familiar with the dogs that people train for that illegal activity. By that I met that these would possibly be about the only dogs that you might have to defend yourself from.

“The idea that you have to go thru some sort of steps, checklist, or what have you before you use a gun is absurd.” I disagree. You should ALWAYS go thru some sort of steps, checklist, situation awareness, etc before you use you gun.

I’m glad you at least would resort to your boot. That’s not the worst way to divert a dog, but there are other ways. As a seventy-one year old father (as of Jan 10th this year) I can’t see the reason to shoot a dog to keep from being bitten.

I have had many younger students in chl classes say that “if I feel threaten by a dog than I can just shoot it.” Well it’s not quit that simple. Under certain circumstances you can, but that's not always the best solution even if you can.

I don’t know how many people campus neighbor hoods or mailmen deliver mail, and you don’t hardly ever hear of them shooting dogs for their own protection. You do see a lot of police shooting of dogs and I think that in most case (not all, but most) the officers just need more training on dog behavior.

Mike

[EEllis]

My crack about the dogfights was that I am not familiar with the dogs that people train for that illegal activity. By that I met that these would possibly be about the only dogs that you might have to defend yourself from.

That is just nuts. You have people getting mauled by house hold dogs quite often. If they are raising dogs to fight they don't allow them to run the streets. It's the pets that do bite people.

“The idea that you have to go thru some sort of steps, checklist, or what have you before you use a gun is absurd.” I disagree. You should ALWAYS go thru some sort of steps, checklist, situation awareness, etc before you use you gun.

I’m glad you at least would resort to your boot. That’s not the worst way to divert a dog, but there are other ways. As a seventy-one year old father (as of Jan 10th this year) I can’t see the reason to shoot a dog to keep from being bitten.

I have had many younger students in chl classes say that “if I feel threaten by a dog than I can just shoot it.” Well it’s not quit that simple. Under certain circumstances you can, but that's not always the best solution even if you can.

I don’t know how many people campus neighbor hoods or mailmen deliver mail, and you don’t hardly ever hear of them shooting dogs for their own protection. You do see a lot of police shooting of dogs and I think that in most case (not all, but most) the officers just need more training on dog behavior.

Mike

You don't see many people getting bit at all. Most dogs wont bite so it is an extremely rare thing anyway. That doesn't mean that when you do encounter a rare aggressive dog that you should refrain from shooting it because most dogs don't bite people. Screw dog behavior. People come first and I wouldn't attempt to have others adhere to my beliefs at an added risk.

[03Lightningrocks]

Funny how a few posters keep dwelling on dog bites. Not one shred of evidence suggests anything other than a punk thug shot a dog out of pure meanness. Shame on those that are trying to defend this scum. If he was innocent, he WOULD have come forward by now. Again...SHAME ON THOSE THAT DEFEND SUCH DESPICABLE ACTIONS.

[EEllis]

Funny how a few posters keep dwelling on dog bites. Not one shred of evidence suggests anything other than a punk thug shot a dog out of pure meanness. Shame on those that are trying to defend this scum. If he was innocent, he WOULD have come forward by now. Again...SHAME ON THOSE THAT DEFEND SUCH DESPICABLE ACTIONS.

Show me one post that defends the actions you believe. Not a post that don't necessarily believe that thing went down as described, but anyone that thinks that just shooting a dog for kicks is fine. As for dwelling on dog bites what the heck do you expect? An aggressive dog is the only real reason to shoot a dog so yes people are going to be wondering. Not to mention the people who bring up "BUT its a lab so it can't be aggressive" which of course is absurd. And you need to rethink your post because it goes way over the line as far as posting policy here, not that I say in it. But it is wrong and I would have a few other things to say if it wasn't for that policy.

[Oldgringo]

Funny how a few posters keep dwelling on dog bites. Not one shred of evidence suggests anything other than a punk thug shot a dog out of pure meanness. Shame on those that are trying to defend this scum. If he was innocent, he WOULD have come forward by now. Again...SHAME ON THOSE THAT DEFEND SUCH DESPICABLE ACTIONS.

It seems to be that this post has taken a circular path and has now broken down to arguments for argument's sake. IOW, (or dog as the case may be)

[03Lightningrocks]

Not gonna play the game with you. I posted my thought. There it is.

[howdy]

"it's just a keyboard tourettes type of thing."

I have added that to my list of sayings.

[03Lightningrocks]

Funny how a few posters keep dwelling on dog bites. Not one shred of evidence suggests anything other than a punk thug shot a dog out of pure meanness. Shame on those that are trying to defend this scum. If he was innocent, he WOULD have come forward by now. Again...SHAME ON THOSE THAT DEFEND SUCH DESPICABLE ACTIONS.

It seems to be that this post has taken a circular path and has now broken down to arguments for argument's sake. IOW, (or dog as the case may be)

I was thinking the same thing. It appears it has turned into a contest of who can say the wittiest comment for the forum to observe.

[Oldgringo]

Funny how a few posters keep dwelling on dog bites. Not one shred of evidence suggests anything other than a punk thug shot a dog out of pure meanness. Shame on those that are trying to defend this scum. If he was innocent, he WOULD have come forward by now. Again...SHAME ON THOSE THAT DEFEND SUCH DESPICABLE ACTIONS.

It seems to be that this post has taken a circular path and has now broken down to arguments for argument's sake. IOW, (or dog as the case may be)

I was thinking the same thing. It appears it has turned into a contest of who can say the wittiest comment for the forum to observe.

...or the last word?

[WildBill]

Funny how a few posters keep dwelling on dog bites. Not one shred of evidence suggests anything other than a punk thug shot a dog out of pure meanness. Shame on those that are trying to defend this scum. If he was innocent, he WOULD have come forward by now. Again...SHAME ON THOSE THAT DEFEND SUCH DESPICABLE ACTIONS.

It seems to be that this post has taken a circular path and has now broken down to arguments for argument's sake. IOW, (or dog as the case may be)

I was thinking the same thing. It appears it has turned into a contest of who can say the wittiest comment for the forum to observe.

...or the last word?

This is why I don't participate in threads about shooting dogs.

[03Lightningrocks]

Funny how a few posters keep dwelling on dog bites. Not one shred of evidence suggests anything other than a punk thug shot a dog out of pure meanness. Shame on those that are trying to defend this scum. If he was innocent, he WOULD have come forward by now. Again...SHAME ON THOSE THAT DEFEND SUCH DESPICABLE ACTIONS.

It seems to be that this post has taken a circular path and has now broken down to arguments for argument's sake. IOW, (or dog as the case may be)

I was thinking the same thing. It appears it has turned into a contest of who can say the wittiest comment for the forum to observe.

...or the last word?

This is why I don't participate in threads about shooting dogs.

Getting the last word you say?

[mojo84]

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[bbobb]

Is it too late to mention Harold Fish?

[mikeloc]

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