A tragic but probably "good shoot"

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Re: A tragic but probably "good shoot"

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I've spent many years in central america and one of the things I learned was how children who are on their own for survival can ver very dangerous. Street kids that daily fight for survival. I don't think it's gotten quite so bad in this country...yet. They can roam in packs and be very viceous. It's quite sad really but a reality. A tactic, very similar to what was discribed in the story above was to get someone to roll down a window. At that point they can lunge into the car and grab a passenger or driver with a knife to the kneck to try to prevent the car from speeding away. At that point they can take anything.

Another thing you will see them do as they lean against the car is check if the door is locked.

You never know if it will go beyond just taking stuff, specially for women.
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Another reason I will never step foot in California.
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Using children to pick pockets and commit petty theft is nothing new. Some cities in Europe have a reputation for it.

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longtooth wrote:
JP171 wrote:Speed bumps!
Not good humor referring to children this way.
Definately get you arrested.

LT I was not really trying to be funny, the question was would I run them over should I be in this situation, the answer is yes been there done that and no I won't say where in the world this occurred. I believe my coming home is way more important than some kid period. call me messed up fine say my moral compass is spinning wildly fine. I came home with little damage and would do it again.

but OH MY ITS FOR THE CHILDREN!

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Re: A tragic but probably "good shoot"

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Wow...if it was very serious then I guess it is between you and God. I sure hope to never ever be in that place where I have to decide between my life and the life of a child.
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Re: A tragic but probably "good shoot"

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rp_photo wrote:I don't think it's coincidence that the states where you are least able to stand your ground have it the worst.
California has a reasonable person standard by statute and has been a "no duty to retreat/stand your ground" state by case law since 1898 (that might be a year or two off but is at least the right decade)

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People v. Newcomer, (1897) 118 Cal. 263, 273 
"When a man without fault himself is suddenly attacked in a way that puts his life or bodily safety at imminent hazard, he is not compelled to fly or to consider the proposition of flying, but may stand his ground and defend himself to the extent of taking the life of the assailant, if that be reasonably necessary" 
The law with respect to self defense in California isn't actually too bad. The problem is the gun laws are terrible, quite likely getting worse, and you can't keep a loaded weapon in your car without a carry permit, it has to be locked up, unloaded and inaccessible to you.

Whether or not you can get a carry permit depends on where in California we're talking about. Oakland, I wouldn't even try. I lived in Contra Costa county for a while and I think there it was pretty much 'if you've donated enough to the Sheriff's election you can probably swing it', although I think that's changing. In San Bernardino county, where I grew up, I think right now it's a matter of if you know how to write your reason up on the app (you can't write simply 'for self defense'), you'll be able to get one (and my friends and I used to legally open carry on county land).

My general experience there was that people in California who grew up around guns oppose gun control, but are vastly outnumbered by people around places like L.A. and San Francisco who get all their knowledge about guns from movies and t.v. shows.

The state as a whole is pretty much a stellar example of why shall issue is better than may issue. The land there is beautiful, I find myself missing desert sunsets ... but law wise, I'm really glad I left.
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Re: A tragic but probably "good shoot"

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mamabearCali wrote:Wow...if it was very serious then I guess it is between you and God. I sure hope to never ever be in that place where I have to decide between my life and the life of a child.
I think most if not all of us hope we're never in a situation where criminal assailants force us to choose between their lives and ours (or the life of a loved one) but let us never forget it is the criminal who creates that situation.

A robber or carjacker trying to enter a car by force, or a young man who circles back to beat down a local resident, or any other violent criminal hurt or killed during their illegal act is ultimately responsible for setting the chain of events in motion by choosing to commit a violent crime. If they are shot, stabbed, run over, or even immolated in the act, it may be tragic, but I say it's far less tragic than allowing them to complete their crime.
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Re: A tragic but probably "good shoot"

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Well said snorri.
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