Road Rage Shooting in Houston

[Teamless]

"Mutable" or not, they hear better if you don't use the mute...

unless you are having fun, I believe he is saying "multiple"
Then again, having "multiple" run ins with the law is not a good thing either.... is it? (unless of course it is job related, but in this context, I don't see it that way)

[ScooterSissy]

"Mutable" or not, they hear better if you don't use the mute...

unless you are having fun, I believe he is saying "multiple"
Then again, having "multiple" run ins with the law is not a good thing either.... is it? (unless of course it is job related, but in this context, I don't see it that way)

Muting your 911 calls would most likely lead to multiple calls as well.

And yeah, it's all fun, kinda...

[3dfxMM]

Not taking a stance either way. I simply don't know enough. But I've got a couple of questions.
Was her lawyer and pastor there at the scene? If so, how did they get there so fast?

All of the parties were kept at the scene for many hours. The first video reports from the scene show the pastor but not the lawyer. That report was aired more than four hours after the incident. The lawyer is not mentioned until a few hours later. I wouldn't call that fast. It seems perfectly reasonable to me for someone to call their pastor for guidance and it seems pretty reasonable for that pastor to go to the scene when called. The lawyer, to me, also makes sense. Aren't we always saying on here that one of your first calls should be to your lawyer? Why are people finding it odd that she did that?

[JALLEN]

Not taking a stance either way. I simply don't know enough. But I've got a couple of questions.
Was her lawyer and pastor there at the scene? If so, how did they get there so fast?

All of the parties were kept at the scene for many hours. The first video reports from the scene show the pastor but not the lawyer. That report was aired more than four hours after the incident. The lawyer is not mentioned until a few hours later. I wouldn't call that fast. It seems perfectly reasonable to me for someone to call their pastor for guidance and it seems pretty reasonable for that pastor to go to the scene when called. The lawyer, to me, also makes sense. Aren't we always saying on here that one of your first calls should be to your lawyer? Why are people finding it odd that she did that?

For someone like her, a young black woman, I don't find that odd or unusual at all to give a call first to her pastor, who would hustle right over. Wasn't this a Monday morning? What else do preachers have going on Mondays? The pastor likely was thinking straight and knew to call the lawyer, right away. The young woman likely did not know who to call. The preacher would be far more likely to have come up with that.

I'm speculating here, of course, assessing the probabilities based on what I've seen done in the past.

I hope someone in Houston will alert us when the 911 tape is released, or the gas station security videos.

[Z1166]

Any update on this story? I couldn't find anything in the news online.

Also: What the hell is on this guy's hands at 1:35? http://www.click2houston.com/news/HCSO- ... index.html Why would the police tape paper bags over his hands? Prevent loss of evidence, e.g. gun shot residue?

[Birdie]

I don't believe the grand jury has heard this case yet. His family has a petition demanding she be arrested floating around on-line, don't think they are gaining much traction though.

[baldeagle]

I Have had mutable run in's with 911 and the law and if you think being the first to call 911 is a plus think again. The law is the law and if this guy had a voice there like she did; she would have got arrested but because she had a mouth piece there confusing the police she got an away with a trip to jail. She escaped the jail for now but the wheels of justice turn slow in cases like this

You don't think much of the police if you think they can be that easily confused.

[barstoolguru]

I Have had mutable run in's with 911 and the law and if you think being the first to call 911 is a plus think again. The law is the law and if this guy had a voice there like she did; she would have got arrested but because she had a mouth piece there confusing the police she got an away with a trip to jail. She escaped the jail for now but the wheels of justice turn slow in cases like this

You don't think much of the police if you think they can be that easily confused.

Mistakes are made every day and I don't care to open that can of worms. Fact is when you have a lawyer on the shooting site I feel that it will taint the chain of thought. Let’s face it; it is done every day in court so why a shooting is site any different.

[VoiceofReason]

Barstoolguru, your attempt to discredit this woman's defending herself appears to me to be patterned after the same style of attacks that the antis perpetrate against anyone who defends themself with a firearm. What is your real issue with this lady? Please come clean. If your issue is that she acted counter to what you would have done, please state clearly what your rules of engagement are in these exact circumstances. Be sure and not let any actual facts of this shooting get in the way since you obviously have a significantly better understanding of what actually happened than anyone else.

Anygunanywhere

It’s not a matter of discrediting the woman to defend herself, but the mere fact that a man lost his life because "SHE" though her life was in danger; so the question is was it really? The LAWYER said he broke the window. Tempered glass is hard to break with your fist just pounding on it and it would have been pushed in with the tint holding it together. Another fact is no one at a gas station heard or seen anything. She rear ended him and then for some reason drove off. I bet the guy was hopping mad and scared her but was that reason enough to shoot and kill someone. He never made entry into the car, she never got even a scratch. There was still a barrier between them and she could have drove off but instead because she had a gun she chose a different way to end it.
So is this the way thing should be handled every time someone gets scared? A man and woman have a heated verbal conversation and she gets scared and shoots him is the way to settle disputes?

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The law does not require that her life really be in danger. It only requires that in her situation, any reasonable person would believe they were in danger of death or serious bodily injury.

[VoiceofReason]

Now correct me if I am wrong but the law says you can't claim self-defense if you instigate or antagonize another

PC §9.31. SELF-DEFENSE.
(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and
(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity,

That's right. If you provoke the fight you lose the justification of self defense.

Why does everyone forget this one?
LAWS RELATING TO THE CARRYING OF A CONCEALED HANDGUN IN TEXAS
GOVERNMENT CODE
CH. 411. TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY

PC §9.31. SELF-DEFENSE.
(4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless:
(A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and
(B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful force against the actor; or

[VoiceofReason]

§ 545.401. RECKLESS DRIVING; OFFENSE. (a) A person
commits an offense if the person drives a vehicle in wilful or
wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property

your right; her driving down the road taking turns cutting each other off is normal every day driving. What was wrong with me to think that they were endangering everyone around them with their little road rage stunt. And while all this is going on I bet they used their blinkers too

What info do you have showing her actions were "wilful " or "wanton " the LEO did not?

Scott, 23, told deputies she and Ables had been cutting each other off.

Was there someone else driving her car? Last time I checked it took two to have an accident. SHE rear ended someone. We call that failure to control your vehicle. all she had to do was let him go but she chose to fight because SHE HAD A GUN AND NO ONE WAS GOING TO PUSH HER AROUND

Wait a minute, she pulled into the parking lot, all he had to do was keep going and call 911 but he followed her into the parking lot. Sounds like a whole bunch of stupidity on the part of both parties to me. Their "game" of chicken endangered not only them but probably others on the highway

[barstoolguru]

She rear ended him and by law you have to stop and trade info so he couldn't have keep on going or he would have been in violation of the law. Since he was the one that got rear ended in this little game I bet he was mad.

[Keith B]

She rear ended him and by law you have to stop and trade info so he couldn't have keep on going or he would have been in violation of the law. Since he was the one that got rear ended in this little game I bet he was mad.

I have not ever seen where it said she rear-ended him. Damage shown in videos looks like it is to the front of his truck, so maybe he hit her? No matter, he was the one in a rage because he got out and started pounding on HER car, games or not. If you and I are playing a game of swap the leader in traffic and you get out and start pounding on my car, bust my window and try to enter with me inside you will also potentially get shot.

[barstoolguru]

She rear ended him and by law you have to stop and trade info so he couldn't have keep on going or he would have been in violation of the law. Since he was the one that got rear ended in this little game I bet he was mad.

I have not ever seen where it said she rear-ended him. Damage shown in videos looks like it is to the front of his truck, so maybe he hit her? No matter, he was the one in a rage because he got out and started pounding on HER car, games or not. If you and I are playing a game of swap the leader in traffic and you get out and start pounding on my car, bust my window and try to enter with me inside you will also potentially get shot.

A woman on her way to work fatally shot another motorist she said attacked her after a minor collision in northwest Harris County, officials said.
Crystal Scott, 23, pulled into a Shell station on Perry near west FM 1960 about 7:20 a.m. Monday with the intention of exchanging insurance information with the other driver, officials said.

They stopped (by law) did he break her window or did the bullet fired from inside the vehicle do it. Was there disparage; only after the accident (she wasn't frail, crippled, or sickly) all of a sudden she was a helpless victim of a crazed man (that she incited)

Was there a crime committed by the shooter...yes…road rage; then the law says you can't claim self-defense. Would she have gotten arrested if your lawyer and pastor wasn't there...very good chance she would have but the cops are not going to try and quote law with a lawyer when she is there quoting law and I am sure the cameras didn't hurt.

I am all for people defending themselves but not in this case. She had a gun and she was not backing down. One thing we was taught in class and that was to be the adult and work to resolve things before they get like this but she must have missed that part

[Keith B]

She rear ended him and by law you have to stop and trade info so he couldn't have keep on going or he would have been in violation of the law. Since he was the one that got rear ended in this little game I bet he was mad.

I have not ever seen where it said she rear-ended him. Damage shown in videos looks like it is to the front of his truck, so maybe he hit her? No matter, he was the one in a rage because he got out and started pounding on HER car, games or not. If you and I are playing a game of swap the leader in traffic and you get out and start pounding on my car, bust my window and try to enter with me inside you will also potentially get shot.

A woman on her way to work fatally shot another motorist she said attacked her after a minor collision in northwest Harris County, officials said.
Crystal Scott, 23, pulled into a Shell station on Perry near west FM 1960 about 7:20 a.m. Monday with the intention of exchanging insurance information with the other driver, officials said.

They stopped (by law) did he break her window or did the bullet fired from inside the vehicle do it. Was there disparage; only after the accident (she wasn't frail, crippled, or sickly) all of a sudden she was a helpless victim of a crazed man (that she incited)

Was there a crime committed by the shooter...yes…road rage; then the law says you can't claim self-defense. Would she have gotten arrested if your lawyer and pastor wasn't there...very good chance she would have but the cops are not going to try and quote law with a lawyer when she is there quoting law and I am sure the cameras didn't hurt.

I am all for people defending themselves but not in this case. She had a gun and she was not backing down. One thing we was taught in class and that was to be the adult and work to resolve things before they get like this but she must have missed that part

Doesn't say she rear-ended him. Doesn't say she was in a rage (playing vehicle leap-frog can be non-rage). And I would be scared if I stopped and some guy starts beating on my car and tried to open the door to get at me.

In this case you have made your mind up she is guilty. You don't know any more about the event than anyone else on here, you just want to push your unfounded opinion. I am with all the others on here that say let the experts figure it out. Your speculation that she was the one at fault is just that, speculation, so it needs to be dropped until the Grand Jury hears the case or the prosecutor decides the evidence warrants not sending it to the GJ.