Road Rage Shooting in Houston

[Mike1951]

Unless I'm mistaken (quite possible), some vehicles have a piece of trim on the inside at that point. I always thought it was to apply tension to the glass.

If her car had this, it would have accounted for the break pattern there. No way do I see that as the result of a bullethole.

I do expect both the video and 911 call to vindicate her.

[rp_photo]

Any word on what type of gun was used?

[barstoolguru]

Unless I'm mistaken (quite possible), some vehicles have a piece of trim on the inside at that point. I always thought it was to apply tension to the glass.

If her car had this, it would have accounted for the break pattern there. No way do I see that as the result of a bullethole.

I do expect both the video and 911 call to vindicate her.

What you are talking about is a guild to force the window outward as it rolls up but if you look at the third news report you can see the hole at the 1:28 mark and the lawyer states "he was trying to open the door and that is when she pulled out a gun and shot him. the lawyer is claiming he broke the glass but if this is what happen why didn’t the witness see or hear any of it?

[3dfxMM]

Why would you find it funny that her lawyer and pastor are doing all the talking? Isn't that part of what they are supposed to do? Wouldn't you call your lawyer and possibly a trusted friend? The lawyer doesn't appear to show up until a bit later in the day. They were at the scene for many hours.

[anygunanywhere]

Barstoolguru, your attempt to discredit this woman's defending herself appears to me to be patterned after the same style of attacks that the antis perpetrate against anyone who defends themself with a firearm. What is your real issue with this lady? Please come clean. If your issue is that she acted counter to what you would have done, please state clearly what your rules of engagement are in these exact circumstances. Be sure and not let any actual facts of this shooting get in the way since you obviously have a significantly better understanding of what actually happened than anyone else.

Anygunanywhere

[barstoolguru]

Barstoolguru, your attempt to discredit this woman's defending herself appears to me to be patterned after the same style of attacks that the antis perpetrate against anyone who defends themself with a firearm. What is your real issue with this lady? Please come clean. If your issue is that she acted counter to what you would have done, please state clearly what your rules of engagement are in these exact circumstances. Be sure and not let any actual facts of this shooting get in the way since you obviously have a significantly better understanding of what actually happened than anyone else.

Anygunanywhere

It’s not a matter of discrediting the woman to defend herself, but the mere fact that a man lost his life because "SHE" though her life was in danger; so the question is was it really? The LAWYER said he broke the window. Tempered glass is hard to break with your fist just pounding on it and it would have been pushed in with the tint holding it together. Another fact is no one at a gas station heard or seen anything. She rear ended him and then for some reason drove off. I bet the guy was hopping mad and scared her but was that reason enough to shoot and kill someone. He never made entry into the car, she never got even a scratch. There was still a barrier between them and she could have drove off but instead because she had a gun she chose a different way to end it.
So is this the way thing should be handled every time someone gets scared? A man and woman have a heated verbal conversation and she gets scared and shoots him is the way to settle disputes?

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[Mike1951]

The damage to the truck appeared to be the left front, not consistent with her rear ending him.

[VMI77]

Barstoolguru, your attempt to discredit this woman's defending herself appears to me to be patterned after the same style of attacks that the antis perpetrate against anyone who defends themself with a firearm. What is your real issue with this lady? Please come clean. If your issue is that she acted counter to what you would have done, please state clearly what your rules of engagement are in these exact circumstances. Be sure and not let any actual facts of this shooting get in the way since you obviously have a significantly better understanding of what actually happened than anyone else.

Anygunanywhere

It’s not a matter of discrediting the woman to defend herself, but the mere fact that a man lost his life because "SHE" though her life was in danger; so the question is was it really? The LAWYER said he broke the window. Tempered glass is hard to break with your fist just pounding on it and it would have been pushed in with the tint holding it together. Another fact is no one at a gas station heard or seen anything. She rear ended him and then for some reason drove off. I bet the guy was hopping mad and scared her but was that reason enough to shoot and kill someone. He never made entry into the car, she never got even a scratch. There was still a barrier between them and she could have drove off but instead because she had a gun she chose a different way to end it.
So is this the way thing should be handled every time someone gets scared? A man and woman have a heated verbal conversation and she gets scared and shoots him is the way to settle disputes?

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No, he lost his life because he lost control of himself and threatened a young mother. And wow.....for some reason drove off???? I hope you're not married and you don't have any daughters. She did exactly what a woman in that situation....hit by a truck with two men....is supposed to do: go to a public place. So, she should drive off from a public place while two guys in a truck chase her and try to run her down? I just hope if you do have a wife and daughter they're getting better advice from someone else because they're sure not getting it from you.

[VMI77]

Barstoolguru, your attempt to discredit this woman's defending herself appears to me to be patterned after the same style of attacks that the antis perpetrate against anyone who defends themself with a firearm. What is your real issue with this lady? Please come clean. If your issue is that she acted counter to what you would have done, please state clearly what your rules of engagement are in these exact circumstances. Be sure and not let any actual facts of this shooting get in the way since you obviously have a significantly better understanding of what actually happened than anyone else.

Anygunanywhere

It’s not a matter of discrediting the woman to defend herself, but the mere fact that a man lost his life because "SHE" though her life was in danger; so the question is was it really? The LAWYER said he broke the window. Tempered glass is hard to break with your fist just pounding on it and it would have been pushed in with the tint holding it together. Another fact is no one at a gas station heard or seen anything. She rear ended him and then for some reason drove off. I bet the guy was hopping mad and scared her but was that reason enough to shoot and kill someone. He never made entry into the car, she never got even a scratch. There was still a barrier between them and she could have drove off but instead because she had a gun she chose a different way to end it.
So is this the way thing should be handled every time someone gets scared? A man and woman have a heated verbal conversation and she gets scared and shoots him is the way to settle disputes?

how tough is tempered glass...." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hogwash. Just two months ago I had the passenger side window of my car blow out and shatter while merely driving down the highway. No one touched it.

[VMI77]

Here's a scenario-the shooter ran into the shootee, and then refused to stop to exchange information. The shootee follows her until she finally turns into a gas station. As he approaches her window-she draws a gun and shoots him.

In the Fox video, the window is shattered but intact. There is no bullet hole visible in the shattered glass. Since the window was still fully closed, the shot must have occured through an open door.

"He was attempting to open (Scott's) car door while striking the driver's side window," said Thomas Gilliland, a Harris County sheriff's deputy.

she shot through the glass. It is tempered glass and if pounding on it would have broken it; it would have shattered totally (nothing left in the door) and if tinted it would have been pushed in from him pounding on it (tint holds the glass in place )
on the second article it shows what looks to be a bullet hole in the upper left side of the window (1:09 mark) and might I add that all statments are maid by the pastor or her lawyer. one minute he is trying to het in and the next he opens the door, so what is it

Since speaking yourself to the press or the police in a situation like this is an act of stupidity, her lawyer and pastor talking for her indicates that she is smart enough to keep her mouth shut.

[barstoolguru]

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No, he lost his life because he lost control of himself and threatened a young mother. And wow.....for some reason drove off???? I hope you're not married and you don't have any daughters. She did exactly what a woman in that situation....hit by a truck with two men....is supposed to do: go to a public place. So, she should drive off from a public place while two guys in a truck chase her and try to run her down? I just hope if you do have a wife and daughter they're getting better advice from someone else because they're sure not getting it from you.[/quote]

"Two white guys"... looked Mexican to me so let’s switch it, if it was a white driver and a black man beating on the window everyone would have said is was racially motivated. I love the part "they were trying to run her down? She drove off from an accident she caused. Maybe they were trying to get her to stop! His poor reactions do not justify hers. This is a quote from the 2nd article:

The 23-year-old woman behind the wheel of a silver sedan told them the young man walked up to her car and was yelling and beating on her window. He grabbed for her door and she grabbed her gun and fired.

no entry was ever made, she over-reacted because she HAD a gun. How would she have done it different if she didn’t have a gun; drove off again, maybe hit the horn and draw attention or her panic button on her key fob? After all she was in a gas station with other around; that was the whole point of driving there in the first place wasn’t it? and if I had a SON and he was shot down like this I would be mad

[anygunanywhere]

Barstoolguru, your attempt to discredit this woman's defending herself appears to me to be patterned after the same style of attacks that the antis perpetrate against anyone who defends themself with a firearm. What is your real issue with this lady? Please come clean. If your issue is that she acted counter to what you would have done, please state clearly what your rules of engagement are in these exact circumstances. Be sure and not let any actual facts of this shooting get in the way since you obviously have a significantly better understanding of what actually happened than anyone else.

Anygunanywhere

It’s not a matter of discrediting the woman to defend herself, but the mere fact that a man lost his life because "SHE" though her life was in danger; so the question is was it really? The LAWYER said he broke the window. Tempered glass is hard to break with your fist just pounding on it and it would have been pushed in with the tint holding it together. Another fact is no one at a gas station heard or seen anything. She rear ended him and then for some reason drove off. I bet the guy was hopping mad and scared her but was that reason enough to shoot and kill someone. He never made entry into the car, she never got even a scratch. There was still a barrier between them and she could have drove off but instead because she had a gun she chose a different way to end it.
So is this the way thing should be handled every time someone gets scared? A man and woman have a heated verbal conversation and she gets scared and shoots him is the way to settle disputes?

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Methinks your understanding of the facts is somwewhat skewed.

Anygunanywhere

[XinTX]

Probably a difference of 'perspective'. Just one POSSIBLE scenario of how it went down.

She hits the guys truck. Nothing major, just a fender bender. But she continues until she finds a 'safe' place to stop. From his point of view, he sees someone who has just smashed his vehicle and continued to drive. She pulls in to the gas station. He gets out to talk to her. He is still apprehensive that she's going to fled. She calls 911. He walks up, expecting her to get out and have insurance available. He sees a woman still in the car talking on the phone. He knocks on her window. She continues to talk on the phone and doesn't get out. She sees two men (apparently worked in the oil field, so he may have been dressed in some grimy coveralls or some such), with one knocking on her window. Doubtful he's in "Mr. Rogers" mode at this point. I'm sure he's agitated at the sight of a woman who has just crunched his vehicle and now appears (to him) indifferent toward the matter. He knocks on her window, she doesn't respond. He knocks harder. She is now afraid, and it all goes downhill from there.

As far as why she didn't just drive away, this was on 1960. At times it's a parking lot. So she may not have been able to get far. And her car vs a pickup truck wouldn't be a good matchup.

The pictures I've seen don't appear to show a window that's been 'shattered'. I guess when the stores videotapes show up, we may know more.

[anygunanywhere]

"Her account of what happened seemed to match that of witnesses in the area, sheriff's deputies said. The case will be referred to the Harris County grand jury, authorities said."

I suppose you spoke to the same witnesses that the HCSO spoke with.

""He was attempting to open (Scott's) car door while striking the driver's side window," said Thomas Gilliland, a Harris County sheriff's deputy."

I suppose you spoke with this deputy and that is where you obtained all of your factual knowledge of the case.

"Sheriff's detectives questioned Scott at the scene. She was released without charges several hours later."

I doubt seriously that the HCSO deputies would have released her if there was any question of a crime being committed. I would also think that they did so after consulting with the district attorney. But, hey, I am certain you have other facts to back up your rant against this woman.

I did read the story quoting that witness that claimed to not have seen any rage going on.

I will wait and see what the grand jury decides. If there are any lessons to be learned so far it should be road ragers beware.

Also, there but for the grace of God go I. Around here even minor accidents can turn ugly.

Anygunanywhere

[Keith B]

Names have now been released. Interview with the parents of the deceased. I don't read anything into this article other than typical mournful parents and their biased views of their son. Still not enough evidence to say one way or the other on justification. All speculation otherwise is worthless at this point.

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