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OlBill wrote:I spent 3 years in the 82nd and 11 in the 7th Special Forces Group. I've been where you think you are. I spent 15 years living in Colombia. The country, not the lib university. Ever hear of the AUC?

I spent 25 years all told living in places and times you read about in history books now. I was in El Salvador when they were killing priests and when they signed the peace treaty. Honduras when MS 13 grandfather's were killing people. Panama when Noriega's Dignity Battalions were beating up political candidates in the streets.

Despite what you may have been led to believe by your former Air Force Lieutenant, there is nothing "paramilitary" about you.

You obviously haven't learned yet what garners respect. It isn't multicam and flash bangs. It's quiet professionalism.

Your reference to the response from the "only" forum is a logical fallacy. It's called Argumentum ad populum. I'll let William Penn respond: "Right is right, even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it."

You are a follower. You're on the wrong path. I wish you the best of luck, I really do. I will not live in your town, nor will I allow my son to attend the university there and it has nothing to do with the crime rate. He deserves better.

nightmare69 wrote:

JP171 wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:If you ever had to stand fast outside a known drug dealer's home not knowing what you may face going in them your perception on no knocks may changed. It's real easy to give your opinion while in the comfort of your home office.

The reason LE uses no knocks is because they work well with minimal casualties on both sides. The ones wanting to forbid no knocks should educate themselves by strapping on body armor, grabbing a rifle, and get into formation. You give the bad guys time to grab weapons and aim down the fatial funnel there would be more blue blood spilled.

It's tragic that innocent live are lost but the system works and it will continue to be used. Maybe a few changes could be implemented such as gathering better Intel before getting the warrant, but having to stand there and knock waiting for the person to open the door is suicide. Some of the scum we served warrants on would rather slit your throat them look at you.

I understand everyone else's opinion and I used to feel the same until I actually had to go in.

Been there done that in over 3 years of combat, have you? no then can it. NNW needs to done away with because its abused and civilians should NOT be doing them PERIOD!

I thank you for your service and respect your opinion. Reality is that no knocks will most likely be around long after we are gone. Most of our swat guys are either still in, or were in the military and we all are on the same page.

nightmare69 wrote:If you ever had to stand fast outside a known drug dealer's home not knowing what you may face going in them your perception on no knocks may changed. It's real easy to give your opinion while in the comfort of your home office.

The reason LE uses no knocks is because they work well with minimal casualties on both sides. The ones wanting to forbid no knocks should educate themselves by strapping on body armor, grabbing a rifle, and get into formation. You give the bad guys time to grab weapons and aim down the fatial funnel there would be more blue blood spilled.

It's tragic that innocent live are lost but the system works and it will continue to be used. Maybe a few changes could be implemented such as gathering better Intel before getting the warrant, but having to stand there and knock waiting for the person to open the door is suicide. Some of the scum we served warrants on would rather slit your throat them look at you.

I understand everyone else's opinion and I used to feel the same until I actually had to go in.