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by snatchel
Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:08 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 32671

Re: Electoral Votes

anygunanywhere wrote: Thank you for the acknowledgement, snatchel. Much appreciated.

Tolerance, with respect to the dems, gays, and others who want to advance their cause is a one way street. Those who want me to be tolerant have no tolerance for me and my beliefs.

Faithful Catholics, and many more from the other mainstream faiths are now the persecuted simply because we want to be left alone and celebrate our religious freedoms without having social engineering and practices that we do not support forced upon us.


Morality is not subjective. Morality is objective.


Anygunanywhere
As a Catholic, I am in the same boat as you. While I agree morally with many of the things we are talking about, I won't go so far as to prevent those that disagree with us.

Again, it goes back to my belief that I am not culpable for their lack of morality. God will understand that I am doing what I believe is best for my family and me. If I want any morality kept in my country, I must do what it takes to keep the republican party well represented in our government--even if that means I vote for a guy who turns a blind eye to sinful matters that frankly, he doesn't have any business in anyway.

It's difficult to be conservative while not being hypocritical. We all hate Bloomberg.... gosh, we hate him. I despise that man mostly because he thinks that as a politician, he has the right to get into people's business.... be it their guns, forcing women to breast feed, or whatever else. Yet here we all are, discussing how we want a politician to get into a gay man's business about who he marries. I don't know where the line is because we all draw the line where it fits in our own morals--be it conservative or liberal morals. This is why I disagree that morality is objective.

At the end of the day, as long as we can keep Republicans in office, I will still be able to attend mass, teach my children about God, pray at night with my family, and speak like this on a public forum.

To be honest, I don't think that you and I are going to ever agree on this issue. Topics like abortion, gay marriage, and other matters along those lines have deep roots in all of us. We think how we think, and while what I say here may make sense to you, you will never agree with me. So, Moderators, thank you for your tolerance in this matter. These things are not easy to talk about and I think that the fact that we as a forum can discuss issues like this in a civil, adult manner speaks volumes about the maturity and tolerance of the members here as well.
by snatchel
Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:23 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 32671

Re: Electoral Votes

Anygun-- it's not that I disagree with your principles, and I admire your tenacity and that despite modern culture, you stand strong in your convictions.

My point is that we, as a conservative republican party, are going to have to eventually make a choice. We will either agree to compromise a d find middle ground in order to get a qualified candidate elected, or watch our party wil away into history. You mention giving up gun rights--- well, here is how I look at it:

If we choose to stand against any tolerance of moral opinion regarding gay rights, abortion, etc..... Than we WILL lose our gun rights. Our staunch stance for more integrity will continue to get democrats elected...and they will surely strip the 2nd rights we have managed to keep thus far.

I know a lot of folks have gone so far as to say they would welcome a civil war, uprising, or something like thAt. To those who say they would rather fight a war than allow a gay couple's to marry I only ask this: have you been in battle?

Please. Be tolerant. Understand that the idea of democracy & freedom that we hold onto with our dying breath extends to those that you disagree from a moral standpoint.

One last thing-- this needs to be put out there-- morality & Christianity are not one and the same.
by snatchel
Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:58 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 32671

Re: Electoral Votes

77346 wrote:If the 2016 election looked like this:

Democrat: Pro-Choice, Pro-Handouts, Pro-Gay Marriage, Anti-Gun
Republican: breathing and with a pulse

I will vote Republican :thumbs2:

Ayy, I understand. But a Republican Party in the above condition will accomplish nothing while the liberal left-wingers gain vote after vote...

It seems to me, and perhaps myself included, a lot of voters don't understand tax code, economics, or business models. What they DO understand is social rights (using the word 'right' loosely here for simplicity purposes). This is how Obama got back in office. If we were all savvy and on the up-and-up on economics and whatnot, I doubt a democrat anywhere would be holding onto their seat. But they talk a good economic game while promoting themselves to the undecided swingers, young men, women, and minorities simply by being tolerant of the change in social and moral values.
by snatchel
Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:55 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 32671

Re: Electoral Votes

I guess this all begs the question: What makes any of us culpable for someone's decision to participate in pro-choice/pro gay-marriage acts?

If the 2016 Election looked like this:

Democrat: Pro-Choice, Pro-Handouts, Pro-Gay Marriage, Anti-Gun
Republican: Pro-Choice, Anti-Handout, Pro-Gay Marriage, Pro-Gun

I would vote Republican still, in a heartbeat. Why? I'm getting what I WANT while letting what I cant fight happen. There is no way that a Republican President is going to be elected again while maintaining a strict anti-choice/anti-gay marriage platform. Too many younger conservatives like me who are willing to sacrifice "bedroom issues" in order to maintain a fiscally conservative government that stays out of everyone's business.

It's not that I support Pro-Choice candidates... never have, never will. Nor Do I support gay-marriage. At least not from a moral perspective. Still, far be it from me to thumb my nose at a gay man who wants to marry his boyfriend. Heck, 50 years ago I would have been frowned down on by ultra-conservatives for marrying an Asian woman. "Gosh no, Sonny! You can't marry a... minority".....

Times are changing. What seems like an unforgivable, morally compromising decision now will be a non-issue in ten years to most folks. So how can I, a christian male, agree to sign off on a candidate who is pro-choice/pro gay-marriage? Simply put, i'm not responsible for other peoples actions. Going out and drinking till unconsciousness is morally wrong, sinful, stupid, and often gets people killed. But it's legal, and none of us feel culpable for those idiots, do we? In the 1920's they did... and we know how prohibition worked out.

I picked my fights. I can't baby-sit the United States. I'm not responsible for someone else's stupid decision. A pro choice/pro gay-marriage Republican President wouldn't be responsible for it either. That's between the person who chooses to do those things and God.

So here I sit... in bed next to my beautiful wife after going to Mass this evening. Tonight we will pray that the Republican party starts to realize that social-conservatism is going to bury the Republican party .. and has been since 2008. We pray that God gives us a candidate who is willing to sacrifice some conservative social stances so that he or she can have a leg to stand on come election time, so that America can start to get back on track to a country where we aren't afraid to have children in.
by snatchel
Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:21 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 32671

Re: Electoral Votes

What RoyGBiv said.

100%

While I am a Christian and would like to see some degree of morality retained in our government, it appears that the majority of Americans do not. That said, about the only thing that would get a anti-abortion/anti-same-sex marriage president in office in 2016 is a 3rd Great Awakening.
by snatchel
Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:15 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 32671

Re: Electoral Votes

Pretty much seals the deal now that OH has lost.

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