flechero wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:21 amIt's hard to make a definitive judgement based solely on this video. However, this is a good example of why I do not believe one should feel the need to shoot just because one has pulled his/her weapon. Many seem to think if you pull your weapon you better shoot or not pull it at all.
I agree that it's best not to pre-determine a shoot if you draw. I didn't have audio but the aggressor could well have additionally said something to the effect of I'll kill you or beat you, etc. Details matter, and we never seem to have them all when discussion these scenarios.
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- Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:56 am
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Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
- Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:55 am
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Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Differences in the responses on different forums are interesting. On one national forum (full of great people IMO) the opinion is heavily weighted towards the stand-your-ground laws and this being a good shoot. On this forum it is weighted much more towards the opinion that the shooter provoked the situation.
Just an observation. YMMV
Just an observation. YMMV
- Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:44 am
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Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
If it was a discussion, I'd agree. I'm almost 60 and much more fragile than when younger also. A shove like that could do serious damage. However witnesses has already stated this was not "a discussion," the shooter was YELLING at her in front of two small children and has a history of doing so using very racial and inflammatory language. And yes, husband/BF was backing away from the confrontation after the shove when he was shot. I think, IMO, the sheriff knows this and most likely believes it was a provoked situation also. But by the letter of their state law it may have been legal.LTUME1978 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:35 pmI beg to differ on standing his ground. I watched the video and that is eye opening. Having a discussion on illegally parking in a handicapped space does not justify the force that was applied. That was no gentle shove. I am 62 and if someone I did not know walked up and shoved me to the ground that aggressively, my pistol would be out. If that gentleman was not moving quickly to get well away from me, I would probably have shot as well (remember the 21 foot rule?) as he could close very quickly from such a short distance and inflict even more harm/injury/possibly death. When one is a senior citizen, an extremely hard jolt like that and/or the resulting impact to the pavement can cause serious injury and possibly be life threatening if ones head hits the pavement hard. You may be bullet proof when you are young but wait till you get older. You will find things change.jonmo1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:03 pm No, he was not standing his ground. It was more like revenge for getting pushed down. The guy was backing away after the gun came out. If he had made an aggressive move forward then it would be justified.
I’d say 2nd or 3rd degree murder, certainly not first degree.
LTUME, I doubt you or I would have been yelling at people for parking in a handicap space, much less so doing it repeatedly.
If this happened in Texas I would hope there'd be a grand jury inquiry to determine charges.