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Rafe wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:54 pm Trivia that probably everyone on this forum knows, but I'll bet only about 1 in 1,000 freshmen starting college this month is aware of. The oath the President of the United States takes upon inauguration--unlike the oath mayor took or the one the Vice President takes--is unique among all office holders, and it makes no mention of defense against all enemies, or even "bear true faith and allegiance." The president doesn't even say, "So help me God," at the end.

The oath the vice president swears to is the same one that senators, members of the House, and other federal employees take (with SCOTUS being a notable exception)...and have since 1884:

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

But the president-elect--for some reason I don't fully understand--has a much abbreviated oath, per Article II, Section I of the Constitution:

I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

And it wasn't shortened recently...as in January 2021 because his handlers were afraid Joe couldn't repeat a longer oath. That's the way it's been.

Your post peaked my interest so I dug around a bit and I'll share if anyone is interested in a bit of trivia.

The Presidents oath is in the constitution (Article II Section 1 Clause 8). To change it means a constitutional amendment. Being in the constitution, it came before the one for Vice President. Article VI Clause 3 covers several governmental roles with... "shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. "

The actual language for those oaths is by statute (and ended up more wordy). Of course not being in the constitution, it's been easier to change.

Out of curiosity I went and listened to Biden say his oath. He was prompted for and added "so help me God" even though that's not required.

I started going back in time and as far back as Roosevelt I found recordings with the Presidents all saying it. Some places say Washington said it but other sources say the words were attributed to him long after he was actually inaguarated. It seems Washington and several others kissed the Bible after the oath. Apparently Chester Author did it first in 1881 (for sure) and then it picked up again with Franklin Roosevelt and all others since.

Teddy Roosevelt said "and thus I swear".

Franklin Roosevelt wasn't given phrase by phrase prompts, he just recited it all in one go.

End of triva for any that made it this far.

Jusme wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:09 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:56 am Kasich is a closet liberal anyway. Ted Cruz is one of the swamp creatures with nothing more than his own political advancement as a concern. The country needed a President that is willing to turn that mess inside out. President Trump had nothing to gain by running. He is simply trying to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. And doing one heck of a good job at it.

I voted for Cruz, in the primaries, because his record, and rhetoric, indicated that he was a staunch, conservative, Constitutionalist, but since losing his bid for the Presidency, he has disappeared, and has not pushed the conservative agenda. In fact, he has turned into a "never Trumper" and has actually become an obstructionist. I will still vote for him in the November midterms, but if he doesn't get his female undergarments unwadded, he will not get any future votes from me.

I was/am a Cruz supporter/voter as well. I’m not sur if it’s “disappeared” or marginalized. He has always been a never trumpet. Did you watch debates? If I want to be generous I’ll call trump a pragmatist and Cruz an idealist. Cruz is all about principal and the constitution and doing what he said. In trying to hold to that after elected to the senate I actually got a bit uncomfortable as he dabbled with “obstructionist”. Both guys are pretty polarizing. I lean to a Cruz. I’m more confident in his deep understanding and support of the constitution than trump. Don’t get me wrong, every choice on republican debate stages would have been better than Hillary.