Wow, nasty.The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:12 am Also... this video, which is instructive for other reasons, also briefly covers blast damage from contact range gunshots:
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- Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:18 pm
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- Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:08 pm
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Yeah, I agree that if a revo locks up it will probably take you out of the fight. But my experience is that I’ve had several jams in semi autos, never had a revolver lock up...not saying it doesn’t happen, it’s just never happened to me. But good points for sure.srothstein wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:30 amI have always thought that the difference between a pistol and a revolver, in terms of reliability, is that a pistol may jam every so often while you are shooting, but you can clear the jam right away with proper action and keep shooting. A revolver doesn't jam anywhere nearly as often but when it does, you need a gunsmith to fix it.surferdaddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:33 amI will say this, that the reliability of a revolver is extremely comforting to me.
There is the added advantage that if a revolver doesn't fire, you can keep squeezing the trigger to try the next rounds. You cannot do that with a pistol.
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- Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:33 am
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I will say this, that the reliability of a revolver is extremely comforting to me. When I go to the range I always rent a private lane that allows drawing from concealment because I like to pull my carry gun from concealment and put rounds on target in its exact carry state that it’s been in.
One day I was carrying my Glock 27 and did the range “draw and fire in its carry state” thing. “CLICK”
Now I have put hundreds of rounds through that pistol before that “click” and after my shock cleared I tap racked the pistol and it has run many hundreds of rounds since then. Heck, I even reloaded the round it “clicked” on, which had a nice deep primer strike, and it fired it fine. BUT, that could have been the “click” that killed me or my family. This was my Glock!!! It is not supposed to happen. It was also very good defensive ammo. It may not ever malfunction again but I can never get the incident out of my mind.
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One day I was carrying my Glock 27 and did the range “draw and fire in its carry state” thing. “CLICK”
Now I have put hundreds of rounds through that pistol before that “click” and after my shock cleared I tap racked the pistol and it has run many hundreds of rounds since then. Heck, I even reloaded the round it “clicked” on, which had a nice deep primer strike, and it fired it fine. BUT, that could have been the “click” that killed me or my family. This was my Glock!!! It is not supposed to happen. It was also very good defensive ammo. It may not ever malfunction again but I can never get the incident out of my mind.
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- Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:23 am
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I have been doing a lot of pondering about my edc as of late, that’s really why I brought this subject up. I have weapons with high capacity and I admit that they do have very compelling advantages in many situations but I also know that the elegant design of a revolver has some advantages as well. All any of us can do is make ourselves aware of likely scenarios and make our choices. I buy into the rule of 3s, the “average of 3 rounds at 3 yards in three seconds” thing. I sometimes imagine situations where I’m taking cover and engaging in a defensive gunfight, like in a restaurant or mall kinda thing but when I consider the statistics, the fight that hopefully never comes will likely be an up close and dirty thing. I guess the ideal handgun load out would be a high cap semi for distance work and multiple assailants and a small revolver for up close stuff.
I have to admit that my attempts to plan a defensive load out to best suit daily situations gives me a bit of anxiety. There are times when I wish I could just stick to one gun to carry and methodically go to it every day and simply deal with its shortcomings.
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I have to admit that my attempts to plan a defensive load out to best suit daily situations gives me a bit of anxiety. There are times when I wish I could just stick to one gun to carry and methodically go to it every day and simply deal with its shortcomings.
Surfer
- Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:06 pm
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Was that a contact shot? I was never able to tell from the one video if ruby was against him.J.R.@A&M wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:11 am Perhaps contributing to Oswald's demise from Jacky Ruby's snub 38? Else it was a very fatal bullet trajectory through Oswald's abdomen.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1963/11/24 ... 204553842/
- Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:59 am
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Crazy the odds of that happening. So sad.ELB wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:27 amSurferdaddy is asking about Bruce Lee’s son Brandon, who did die from an accident involving blanks.Excaliber wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:06 amNo, Bruce Lee reportedly died from an allergic reaction to a painkiller he had taken for headaches.surferdaddy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:48 pmSo the residual blast can be fatal by itself it would seem. Craziness. Didn’t Brandon Lee die from blanks somehow?
However it wasnt the gasses from the blank tha killed him, at least not directly. As I remember reading it years ago, The Crow was a low budget ptoduction. At one point the prop master manufacture dummy rounds for a revolver out of live rounds by pulling the bullets, emptying the powder, then replacing the bullets into the cases. The cases may have retained their primers.
The handmade dummy bullets were used in a revolver in a scene Where are the revolver was seen close up and needed to look like it was loaded.. Somehow one of the bullets came loose and lodged in the barrel – – I’ve read two accounts, one that somebody actually pulled the trigger and the primer drove the bullet into the barrel, And another account where the bullet (or the tip broke off) simply came loose and stuck in the barrel.
The revolver was set aside for a couple weeks without being properly cleared, and then used in a scene where Brandon Lee walks through a doorway to a shot by an opponent. The same revolver was used for this scene and loaded with blanks. When it was fired the movie blood squib on Bruce Lee exploded and he fell down as directed, so no one realized immediately that he had actually been shot with a .44 bullet, or at least a piece of one. When they realized he was really shot they rushed him to the hospital but surgeons were not able to save him.
- Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:48 pm
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So the residual blast can be fatal by itself it would seem. Craziness. Didn’t Brandon Lee die from blanks somehow?
- Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:50 pm
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Wow, these are some tragic and disturbing stories. I suppose “contact shot” is never going to be a good outcome for the recipient. It sounds as if the blast from say a snubby 357 contact shot would prove devastating beyond the simple ballistic effect from the projectile.
I dug around the inter webs a bit and found a couple of tests but they were not very clear. I would love to see a good ballistic gel test if anyone has any laying about!
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I dug around the inter webs a bit and found a couple of tests but they were not very clear. I would love to see a good ballistic gel test if anyone has any laying about!
Surfer
- Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:35 pm
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Yeah, that’s terrible.crazy2medic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:46 pm Worked a suicide were the guy laid is head on the muzzle of a 30-30 and that was a mess, the selfishness of doing this where your family finds you is unbelievable! That will be their last image of them!
- Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:10 pm
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- Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:45 am
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Or even clear gel with slowmo would be pretty cool.
- Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:24 am
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Contact shot, blast damage?
Sooo, I have been known to carry a small revolver on occasion. I think that they have a few advantages over semis, especially at “bad breath” distance encounters. As distance increases the advantages of a semi-auto begin to shift the advantage.
I am a biologist by training and not a physicist but I was wondering if anyone has ever seen any test or know about blast damage of a contact shot. I know that energy has to go somewhere. I was wondering the if the blast after the projectile leaves the barrel would compound damage as it enters the wound channel. Would it be an appreciable amount of effect?
I think a test with a snubby 357 up against a brisket or other large piece of meat would be interesting. What do you all think?
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I am a biologist by training and not a physicist but I was wondering if anyone has ever seen any test or know about blast damage of a contact shot. I know that energy has to go somewhere. I was wondering the if the blast after the projectile leaves the barrel would compound damage as it enters the wound channel. Would it be an appreciable amount of effect?
I think a test with a snubby 357 up against a brisket or other large piece of meat would be interesting. What do you all think?
Surfer