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KingofChaos wrote: I don't think just following someone is a threat of violence. What say you guys?

I think that there would be cases where the mannerisms of someone just following me could make me fear for my life. At some point there is an implied threat, that is why (this may be at the exreme for this discussion) restraining orders exist. It is a big ol' wide grey line. Figuring out when it is crossed could be very difficult. I think that this may be the crux of the issue for a CHL holder if we put ourselves in Martin's shoes.

baldeagle wrote:We're all on this forum because we have CHLs. Many of us carry all the time, whenever we can. I certainly do. I don't need anyone to answer this. Just think about it for a second. (Of course I know some will answer, and that's fine.)

An excellent post. This is the exact scenario I was thinking about but not getting articulated in my head. I am on the forum to learn and pre-think as much as possible. I appreciate your adding to that. Putting myself in both peoples shoes is a great way for me to analyze what I would have done.

Zimmerman’s side is easy. Call the police. Transfer absolutely as much information as possible and not escalate.

The other side is much more complex. For me, the most concerning part is figuring out when Zimmerman would have gone far enough for me to draw and fire. The point it drives home is that if a person wants to be overly assertive(?) and possibly give you no other outs, you have to figure out at what point you fear for your life. It may not be a knife being drawn. It may not be a ball bat. Can it be just a good sized dude that has no sense of personal space or respect for your liberties? On a dark, rainy night losing my ability to escape this person’s presence might begin to put fear into me relatively quickly.

The second scariest part is that cowboy/rent-a-cop/marginally-good-Samaritan/Zimmerman is probably already working on when he’ll draw. That puts me at a reaction time deficit if his fuse and or temper is shorter than it should be.