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bmwrdr wrote:Wow, I spent over a hour to read this thread and realize the different opinions here so I have to add mine.
1. From a logical point I do not think OC makes sense for following reasons.
a. As others already stated it does get the attention of others, positive or negative, either way. That is certainly not what I want!
b. My biggest concern would be a gun grabber. A gun in plain view will surely attract a criminal mind as well as an anti gun person. That is certainly not what I want!
c. Another worry would be mistakenly recognized as a LEO which means in my opinion I could be potentially responsible for confusion about my status.
2. From a social point of a view I'd say everybody should be able to carry either way but has to conform with the current law without an exception.
3. Watching the news, listening and talking to others I surely can say it is a shame how some express their opinion towards a LEO. I actually have no faith in a person publicly yelling at a LEO or any others, using banal and insulting verbiage.

The points above led me to the conclusion it is better to discard OC but gain discipline and skills in CC.
It also would make sense to look at demographics and find out how many would actually carry open if the law would be passed. I do not assume a high number of our population would.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
The problem with this argument is that it is an extension of the "you're either with us or you're against us" philosophy long espoused by the open-carry supporters like those found in VCDL, OpenCarry.org, LoneStar CDL, and more recently Open-Carry Texas. That's a blatant attempt to force others into supporting their issue and it has been an abject failure. The fact is most gun owners and Texas CHLs aren't the enemy of open-carry supporters, it's simply a matter of their issue not being our issue. Texas gun owners are far more concerned with who can carry and where they can carry than how they can carry. You seem to argue that open-carry supporters somehow deserve the support of all gun owners regardless of their own priorities concerning legislative and/or legal battles that lie elsewhere. That's unfounded. Open-carry supporters are no more entitled to widespread support than are campus-carry supporters, or those seeking to reduce the number of off-limits areas for CHL's, or those seeking to remove deferred adjudications from the definition of "conviction" for CHL eligibility purposes, or those who want to change knife laws. We each have our priorities and if we feel strongly enough to get involved, we join and support groups and organizations that share those goals. Rational people do not then label everyone outside that group as an enemy.

If a group of convicted felons organized to change Texas and federal law so as to allow them to own, possess and carry firearms, that would be their right. The fact that other gun owners and/or organizations didn't joint in their effort wouldn't mean those refusing to do so are anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment, or even in opposition to their goal. It would simply mean that their issue isn't our issue. However, this is precisely what the more radical open-carry supporters claim about CHLs and anyone else who doesn't join their quest. Taking the entire Texas gun-owner community as a whole, only a very small percentage care about open-carry one way or the other. Attacking them and the organizations representing them as being anti-gun, elitists, or any other pejorative term within their vocabulary is a poor method of attracting people to their cause.

Chas.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Just for the record, this thread is not about how one feels about open carry. The topic was about how one feels about "in your face" tactics by a very small but very vocal minority of OC proponents. Somehow it is being twisted to discuss how one feels about OC and how prevalent it is or will be.

They are being pushed into making ridiculous in your face tactics due to the fact that they are dismissed by gun owners and CHLers on the whole. If they had not been dismissed as kooks and dissed by Internet memes as above, perhaps they would have been able to be more circumspect. People ignored, who desire the freedoms they have been promised, will tend towards more and more drastic action.

Is it wise? Probably not. But they have been patted on the head and told to sit down and shut it for years. So after being polite and getting no where they are trying a new tactic. Can you blame them? I don't.

Now is it smart to go this way, maybe not, but the liberals get their way much of the time by screaming their heads off.

Say what you like. They care about freedom. Even if their tactics are off, they are at least trying to effect change.

If you act like a bunch of kooks, you will be treated like a bunch of kooks.
How many marches have there been without carrying and having arrests?
How many write in campaign and other lobbying efforts?
The OC method of attempting to influence appropirate legislation is at best blurred, at worst incoherent.

03Lightningrocks wrote:Just for the record, this thread is not about how one feels about open carry. The topic was about how one feels about "in your face" tactics by a very small but very vocal minority of OC proponents. Somehow it is being twisted to discuss how one feels about OC and how prevalent it is or will be.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:So we should base what we do on California? Not very productive in my opinion.

Arizona is a pretty big state. Virginia though not constitution carry is a pretty big state. With enough of a population that we were carpeted with election nonsense for two years before the last election. I don't know how big Harris county is but VA has a population of over 8 million.


03Lighteningrocks

That guy is an internet meme. It is not the honest truth. If in a state like Va you were to go around like that you would be arrested because you must carry long guns in a sling if not being used to hunt. Just like you can't walk around with your glock in your hand pointing it at people, you can't do what he is doing. So you are arguing about a person that does not exist.


What I was attempting to say is that the picture above is being used as a strawman argument. That guy is ridiculous thus all OC is ridiculous. I have seen people at gun rallies here in VA open carry rifles/shotties. I have never ever seen anyone who looked like that guy.

However if I did see a guy like that I would watch him. Not shoot him on sight. For all I know he may have a legitimate reason to be dressed like that.

No, what you did was present your own straw man argument by inferring I would shoot a person in VA for simply open carrying a handgun on their side. I said nothing of the kind. Now you realize the folly of your response and the lack of merit it held as a response to my post and try to swerve. Nope.

mamabearCali wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote: Ahhah!!! Then he would have gotten me. I would have shot an innocent mall ninja! I think the OC radicals should be required to wear a sign that says, "Please don't shoot me, I am trying to impress the other guys on an internet forum." No sign??? It is a good shoot!

I'd appreciate it if you come to an OC state (like VA) that you don't shoot me just cause I am carrying OWB. I don't carry signs around though.

In all seriousness....since this is apparently a meme. Yall should know this is not what open carry is or what those of us that open carry look like or act like.

I know yall are kidding around, but really it is just as annoying as when they show the militia belonging to, cammo wearing, long bearded chain smoking 60 year old man as what all gun owners are like. It is good for a laugh, but it is not the truth. Eventually it starts to wear on a person being portrayed as an idiot when we are not.

03Lightningrocks wrote: Ahhah!!! Then he would have gotten me. I would have shot an innocent mall ninja! I think the OC radicals should be required to wear a sign that says, "Please don't shoot me, I am trying to impress the other guys on an internet forum." No sign??? It is a good shoot!