If photographers are not being permitted to leave with their pictures intact and are being questioned on the content of those pictures then yes I would call that the third degree.gigag04 wrote:What's this "3rd degree" that you speak of? Did that occur in the original story or is this a hypothetical scenario that has not yet occurred?mamabearCali wrote:... not be legally entitled give me the 3rd degree on my pictures of sea gulls, as it seems this police chief thought they were.
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- Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:33 am
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- Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:45 pm
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You know I don't mind a police officer coming up and saying hello and commenting on the view. They are people too, and I will likely respond very kindly and talk with you about the weather and perhaps even how much I love the way the birds reflection glints up off the water. However if I have to go get my husband for a baseball game and they have nothing more than I am taking pictures of wildlife then they need to let me leave and not be legally entitled give me the 3rd degree on my pictures of sea gulls, as it seems this police chief thought they were.
- Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:13 pm
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Medic624 I believe in the SCOTUS ruling it states that the reasonable suspicion must be able to be articulated and it must be concrete. Having a "gut feeling" or a "hunch" is specifically ruled against. Participating in a legal activity would not be grounds for reasonable suspicion. What might be grounds in a photography situation is that officer A had observed that subject A was appeared to be taking photographs of the security station as people entered and exited using the keypad. That might be grounds for reasonable suspicion--maybe, even that might be thin.
- Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:56 pm
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Lets take another hobby as innocuous as photography, running. Criminals sometimes use running as a means to get to and from a crime. So should the police be empowered to, without anything else to arouse their suspicion, stop and detain anyone they see jogging? Have them explain why they are running...it is really the same thing. People going about their everyday lives should be able to do so without contact from law enforcement so long as they are not breaking or appearing to break any laws.
- Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:14 am
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What he said!
- Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:44 am
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Well if I went to River Center Mall in San Antonio and arrested every single person there on an ICE suspicion of being an illegal immigrant I bet I would find a few, but I would also have accused and illegally detained a ton of innocent people. Sure he got a few and some of his allegations were correct, that still does not mean that it what happened was ok or even legal, or that we should not view his method with disdain.74novaman wrote:
Sorry, only partially correct. One of the people McCarthy accused was Alger Hiss. Declassified Soviet documents in the 90s revealed he was in fact spying for the Soviets. Was everyone he accused working for the communists? No. But some certainly were, and his broad allegation about communists infiltrating the state dept and other levels of the federal govt were spot on, as has been shown by the flood of soviet era documents we're now able to access.
- Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:19 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
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Having a BA in history is useful for somethings. I have heard of McCarthy and have even written reports on that era. Never thought I would be living it out again. We remember McCarthy as a nut that got a bunch of people killed/blacklisted for literally no reason whatsoever. You would think we would learn.Oldgringo wrote:Does the name Joseph McCarthy ring any bells? You should have been around in the late 40's and early 50's.
And as I have heard before--it is not paranoia if they really are out to get you! Considering what we see at the airports and borders and how American citizens are being treated in their own country---I am not so sure that a certain portion of our gov't is not "out to get us."Oldgringo wrote: I've noticed what I sense to be an upsurge in boogie man/woman fear (paranoia) myself. Just because one has a CCW doesn't mean everybody is out to get you.
- Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:09 pm
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Yes it is a big deal if it is a policy of the police to detain (arrest) people taking photographs with no other cause.gigag04 wrote:Not a big deal really.
- Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:07 pm
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What in this world? I remember being in 6th grade (about 1991) and being told that one of the signature pieces of an oppressive totalitarian regime is that you may not take photographs without the express permission of the gov't. Did the United States suddenly go into the twillight zone? We have citizens being strip searched without warrants at airports, photographers being detained for taking pictures, and the insanity keeps on mounting. What is happening here?