...finally you respond to something I DID say...I accused them of being scam artists...and, once a fact has been put forth, there's no need to refer back to the source everytime I mention it...I never reported or agreed that they were liars until the Judge said they were...just the facts...you don't back-reference every fact you use in your posts, either...
...if you're tired of something(again quoting me as saying something I didn't say)...try commenting on what I actually say, instead of reading your own meaning into it or paraphrasing (as you just did) what I say......I have certainly decided he's a weasel(apologies to our furry friends) and anytime I'm confronted with words that I didn't say, I WILL go on the (proper word)DEFENSE...I have yet to attack anyone...disputing what you say and telling you to quit changing/adding to what I post is not an attack...it's an argument...
...if you're really tired of arguing...maybe not quoting and dissecting my posts quite so often would give you a bit of rest...
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- Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:47 am
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- Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:50 am
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ScooterSissy wrote:Here's what you said (at the risk of sounding like I'm "nit-picking":speedsix wrote:...I never insisted any such thing...I never said either of the things you say that I did...it must seem strange when folks read you taking me to task for something, and they can read for themselves that I never said what you accuse me of saying...better that you argue what I DID say without putting words in my mouth...That, and the fact that you accused him of lying. I have yet to see any information that shows he's not using it for living expenses and legal fees.speedsix wrote:...he was really interested in using it for his living expenses...and paying off his credit cards...
...the words "really interested in" cannot be construed to mean the same as "only"...not in any dictionary or thesaurus I've seen...even if you twist really hard...I didn't ACCUSE him of lying...I commented that the JUDGE accused him of lying...and agreed heartily with the judge based on the EVIDENCE...not innuendo...
- Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:46 am
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ScooterSissy wrote:Sorry you didn't like it being pointed out, but now you're the one nit-picking. Go back and reread what I've written and you'll see that not only is that not "all I've got", it's not what I've even been talking about. You seem to focus in on things that are said that you can argue, and ignore the rest.speedsix wrote:...the minute I hit send, I knew I was going to have somebody grab at the difference between "defense" and "expenses"...nit-picking and playing the words are about all that can be done when hit with the truth...kinda petty, doncha think? but when that's all ya got.... the meaning was clear...money for legal defense and money for legal expenses is the same thing...pretty poor point of dispute...
My point was, and is still, he also said living expenses. Nothing has shown that's not what he's using it for.
You have nothing to show that he "was really interested in using it for his living expenses" (if, by that, you mean only for his living expenses). There's little doubt in my mind that he used some of that money for his bond. As far as you being "bothered", I don't see how you can say that's "unfounded". You're on here calling him a weasel, and claiming he lied. What has he used the money for besides living expenses and legal fees?speedsix wrote:...he was really interested in using it for his living expenses...and paying off his credit cards...to the point he and his wife worked hard to hide it...he's just not willing to use it to honestly pay a fair bond...a "legal defense" expense that he promised the good folks that donated he'd use it on...I could care less that they gave him money...and I don't know how "...It would appear that " I'm "bothered"...nothing posted says that...it's an unfounded conclusion that's being jumped to....but he and his wife are not acting in the same "good faith" that the donors acted in...they didn't give them the money to lie about and hide...maybe it'll be used as promised from now on, since they have someone else controlling it now...
Before you jump on the credit card issue, I'll say this. If I knew I was going to be unemployed for a long period of time, I would consider paying off credit card debt (and any other outstanding debt) to be part of paying "living expenses".
You and I neither one give the guy a dime - I'm curious, who out there that did feels he has lied and taken their money under false pretenses? Maybe if we hear from some of his donors that would shed some light on whether this "lie" accusation is legitimate, or just more of your rant against the "weasel".
...we don't really need an opinion poll...the JUDGE reviewed the evidence and made the "lie" accusation...except he likened him to a marigold...not a weasel...there you go again interpreting my words instead of reading them "(if by that you mean ...)"...how 'bout just reading my words instead of adding your own meaning...
...and as to this:" My point was, and is still, he also said living expenses. Nothing has shown that's not what he's using it for" ...nobody has said that that's not what he's using it for...or that paying off his credit card wouldn't be "living expenses"...it's quite obvious by the FACTS that he's doing those things...while lying to the judge about how much money he's got available to get a lower bond...and do you know for a fact that I didn't send him a corroded old dime?...you guessed right...now it's a fact...before I told you it was just another guess...
...amazing how some can totally ignore established facts and spend their time arguing with the exact wording of what someone has to say about them...but if there's no arguing the facts...I guess that's what's left...I just wish you'd argue with the words I post instead of what you think I said or what you think I mean...
- Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:33 am
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...I never insisted any such thing...I never said either of the things you say that I did...it must seem strange when folks read you taking me to task for something, and they can read for themselves that I never said what you accuse me of saying...better that you argue what I DID say without putting words in my mouth...
...the FACTS are, that having over 135,000 at the time available to him, he was busy hiding it, shuffling it around,and telling her to pay off their credit cards... and they went to the bond hearing and lied to the judge to keep from having to spend it on posting bond(a legal defense expense)...PROVING that he was not willing to honestly use it for what it had been given him for...I don't have to claim to know anything...just processing the facts...which do a pretty good job of showing what's on his mind...no need to guess...their own words and actions make it plain...the judge figured it out...
...the FACTS are, that having over 135,000 at the time available to him, he was busy hiding it, shuffling it around,and telling her to pay off their credit cards... and they went to the bond hearing and lied to the judge to keep from having to spend it on posting bond(a legal defense expense)...PROVING that he was not willing to honestly use it for what it had been given him for...I don't have to claim to know anything...just processing the facts...which do a pretty good job of showing what's on his mind...no need to guess...their own words and actions make it plain...the judge figured it out...
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:57 pm
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...since a bail bondsman usually asks 10% cash and they ended up with around 200K...I'll bet he can bond out...if the judge gives him another chance...of course, his credit cards might have to stay maxed out awhile longer...I don't wanna hear "poor George" any time soon!!! http://www.myradionetwork.net/204000-do ... an-defense" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:07 pm
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...the minute I hit send, I knew I was going to have somebody grab at the difference between "defense" and "expenses"...nit-picking and playing the words are about all that can be done when hit with the truth...kinda petty, doncha think? but when that's all ya got.... the meaning was clear...money for legal defense and money for legal expenses is the same thing...pretty poor point of dispute...
...he was really interested in using it for his living expenses...and paying off his credit cards...to the point he and his wife worked hard to hide it...he's just not willing to use it to honestly pay a fair bond...a "legal defense" expense that he promised the good folks that donated he'd use it on...I could care less that they gave him money...and I don't know how "...It would appear that " I'm "bothered"...nothing posted says that...it's an unfounded conclusion that's being jumped to....but he and his wife are not acting in the same "good faith" that the donors acted in...they didn't give them the money to lie about and hide...maybe it'll be used as promised from now on, since they have someone else controlling it now...
...he was really interested in using it for his living expenses...and paying off his credit cards...to the point he and his wife worked hard to hide it...he's just not willing to use it to honestly pay a fair bond...a "legal defense" expense that he promised the good folks that donated he'd use it on...I could care less that they gave him money...and I don't know how "...It would appear that " I'm "bothered"...nothing posted says that...it's an unfounded conclusion that's being jumped to....but he and his wife are not acting in the same "good faith" that the donors acted in...they didn't give them the money to lie about and hide...maybe it'll be used as promised from now on, since they have someone else controlling it now...
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:47 pm
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...notice the promise to use the donations for living expenses and legal expenses...not to squirrel it away and hide it from the judge...OOPS... http://www.google.com/imgres?q=image+of ... 4,s:0,i:86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...the "real" George Zimmerman??? Alrighty...
...the "real" George Zimmerman??? Alrighty...
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:37 pm
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...for those who would like to see "really the website"...here's a picture...with the same "facts" as I posted above... which provided "some information"
http://www.thelantern.com/campus/george ... -1.2843940" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and another, full-screen image... http://www.google.com/imgres?q=image+of ... 4,s:0,i:86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...they had a lawyer...they had PLENTY of money...given for their legal expenses...they weren't "navigating the legal system by themselves..." ...they could have told the truth to the judge and paid a fair bond, surrendered the passport that they kept hidden, and he'd still be out on bond...with plenty left over for living expenses...they just don't want to play by the rules...and the bank/credit union records proved it...these aren't a couple of innocent waifs, caught up in a confusing legal system...they're a couple of lying scam artists...and they got caught...
http://www.thelantern.com/campus/george ... -1.2843940" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and another, full-screen image... http://www.google.com/imgres?q=image+of ... 4,s:0,i:86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...they had a lawyer...they had PLENTY of money...given for their legal expenses...they weren't "navigating the legal system by themselves..." ...they could have told the truth to the judge and paid a fair bond, surrendered the passport that they kept hidden, and he'd still be out on bond...with plenty left over for living expenses...they just don't want to play by the rules...and the bank/credit union records proved it...these aren't a couple of innocent waifs, caught up in a confusing legal system...they're a couple of lying scam artists...and they got caught...
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:22 pm
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...well, if you don't like the verbatim copy of his website that I was able to drudge up, maybe you could step up and do your own research...there's a novel approach...I was just responding to refresh your memory since you seemed concerned that legal expenses might not have been what it was donated for...I've answered that "challenge"...now you want to take off on another tangent...seems the facts don't suit you... PLEASE chase your own rabbits...
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:04 pm
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ScooterSissy wrote:What was the money donated for? Do you remember the simple web site that was put up? Can't say that I do, other than I remember it was very sparse on details as to what it was to be used for...speedsix wrote:...I don't know how one could say that they were navigating the legal system by themselves...with all that money and a lawyer...seems like they could get good legal advice...but then they'd have had to spend more of that money on what it was donated for...perish the thought...
...more of those pesky facts... http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/ge ... erman.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(be sure to note the "...only for living expenses and legal defense..." part...)
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:35 pm
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...people who pull this trick usually do so AFTER they have THEIR say...
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:10 pm
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...refreshingly accurate, clear-headed, and well put...welcome to the forum...this may be the best post in all these many pages!!! You've got my vote!!!
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:01 pm
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...that's true...but, given what we know of TM...wasn't gonna happen...
..."poor GZ" was SUPPOSED to be smarter...so much for that...
..."poor GZ" was SUPPOSED to be smarter...so much for that...
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:29 am
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...I saw that model...but then I'd have to come out from under the bed...not an option...
- Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:27 am
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...I forgot to tell you about the snorkel...