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hirundo82 wrote:

speedsix wrote:...why do people from all walks of life get away with not doing their jobs well for a long time before being fired? Police are people, regardless of what you've been told...some good, some bad, and the good ones shine and the bad ones stink....but they don't belong in the same bucket...

We don't give everyone governmental authority and the power of life and death over others. You want the power, you should be held to a higher authority.

**...I felt this way...kind of like a sacred trust...but many do not...to many, it's just a job, and they're not held to a higher standard...partly due to union influence...

speedsix wrote:...your comments in this post seem to indicate a less than favorable opinion of the law enforcement community...I wonder if it's because of hearsay and "stories" or real-life experience...

Some of both. While I haven't had any major run-ins with the law, my experience is that law enforcement tends to demands respect from everyone while giving none in return. I believe you should only get the respect you deserve, and while I'll be polite if I don't know you I won't bow and kiss your boots simply because you wear a badge. I'll speak up and assert my rights if I feel they're being violated, and I've found that doesn't tend to go over too well.

**...we're kindred spirits there...I believe that an officer should treat the customer with respect until forced by the customer to abandon civility...and I believe that citizens should give officers respect...as long as they behave in a manner that commands it...the badge is a sign of service...even more than authority...and I have loudly and vigorously resisted a bad attitude as often as honoring a good one...when I was a cop, I was treated by citizens and city hall as less than a citizen...we actually forfeited some rights to be officers...never again...so far, my family hasn't had to attend my funeral...but some things are worth dying for...

speedsix wrote:you might find out as you go on down the road that there're a lot of good 'uns...

I know there are. I spent several years in EMS and have friends at all levels of law enforcement. I just wonder why the good ones aren't more proactive at getting the bad ones off the force.

boba wrote:

speedsix wrote:that's like saying all college students are dope-smoking beer-drinking bums who are sponging off Mama and Daddy

I wasn't a math major but isn't that more like saying 1% of college students are dope-smoking beer-drinking bums who are sponging off Mama and Daddy?
...the post you pulled that out if hasn't got anything to do with math...I was making an example that showed the unfairness of his statement earlier...and the inaccuracy of it...read it in context...leave it in context...clears up your confusion nicely...















That could be low.

hirundo82 wrote:

speedsix wrote:

hirundo82 wrote:

AFCop wrote:Just have to be careful and hold those who abuse this, and other exceptions, accountable.

It's not just the 1% of bad cops I worry about--it's also the other 99% who cover for them.

...this is not only untrue, it's an insult to every good honest cop in America...several of which are members here...and I suspect you don't have NEARLY enough life experience to honestly hold this opinion...

We're constantly told that there are a very few bad cops out there who give the rest a bad name. I'm saying that any cop who has ever looked the other way while another officer violated someone's rights or broke the law to make an arrest is part of the problem.

hirundo82 wrote:

AFCop wrote:Just have to be careful and hold those who abuse this, and other exceptions, accountable.

It's not just the 1% of bad cops I worry about--it's also the other 99% who cover for them.

b322da wrote:

speedsix wrote:...I don't see any difference between smelling the unmistakable odor of burning pot and seeing it through a window...I believe they were right in going in before it could go away...especially while in pursuit of a drug suspect...a lot of reasonable cause there...

Might the fact that they broke into the wrong apartment make any difference? Did they have "reasonable cause" to break into any apartment in the apartment house?

To possibly make it a little harder to pass the "smell test" (not a pun), after elsewhere making the arrest of the man they were after the charges against the person arrested were dropped.

Elmo