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RossA wrote:NO professional sports take place in Reliant Center (I may have mistakenly said Reliant Arena). Sports take place in Reliant Stadium, a totally different building separated by parking, sidewalks, etc.

You did originally say "Arena" which I mentally changed to "Stadium". So the bad, it's all mine. Sorry for the confusion.

RossA wrote:I haven't read through this entire thread, but above the doors on Reliant Arena are 30.06 signs. Reliant is owned by Harris County as far as I know.

Reliant Stadium is indeed owned by Harris County. But professional sporting events are off limits anyway. Is there much beyond professional sports that goes on there?

C-dub wrote:Unless that is where your kids' school team plays. My daughter's school does not have their own football or baseball field. They must use city owned fields. During those games I cannot carry. Now, I know there's been some debate on this issue, but that's the way I see it for now.

Yep. You caught me. I forgot the 'school sponsored event' issue.

Dang it. And here I thought I covered it all.

Kaliche Kid wrote:Kaufman County (35 miles southeast of Dallas) has its County Courthouse building improperly displaying a 30.06 sign. I recently went into the courthouse building to speak to the county's environmental officer and had to return to my car to secure my weapon. The annex building across the street from the main courthouse building is not posted and I have concealed carried in there several times to renew my vehicle registration and to pay my property taxes.

The Kaufman County Appraisal District is also improperly posted with a 30.06 sign.

The City of Kaufman has a 30.06 sign posted at the Sports Complex north of town, but it is not very prominent and I don't pay much attention to it when I go to my grandchildren's softball games.

The 30.06 at the Kaufman County Courthouse building may be improper, but you can't carry there anyway. The same is true of the court annex building. TPC 30.06 states:

(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

And TPC 46.03 says:

(3) on the premises of any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court;

There is some debate as to whether an entire building (which contains court offices) is off limits or only a portion thereof due to the ambiguity in TPC 46.035.

(3) “Premises” means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

There is no case law on this (that I've read about), so for now it's anyone's guess. I believe the general consensus is, at this time, the entire building is off limits.

As for the Kaufman County Appraisal District, if there are court offices (a court clerk, perhaps) located in the building, then the above may also apply. Heck, for all I know, the Appraisal District itself may be deemed an "office of the court".

And last but not least, regardless of the 30.06 sign, the Sports Complex is not off limits (if it is actually owned by the city/county) unless there is a professional sporting event going on. I'm fairly certain your grandkids' ballgames would not qualify.

Sadly, there is no mechanism for correcting improperly posted signs as of yet. You can write to the offices, the city council, etc, but they can choose to ignore it. Now if HB 508 passes, that will be a different story.

bones357 wrote:Somehow my post and the following post got confused.... so I'll start over...

There is an improperly posted sign at Texas Bexar County Commissioner office on Bandera Hwy (Hwy 16). Formerly the Sylvia S. Ramos Bexar County Commissioner Office. They have a posted 30.06 sign in the front but they are just a tax collector office. ...

Reference PC 30:06 Section E :

(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property
on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a
governmental entity and i s not a pr emises or other place on w hich the
license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section
46.03 or 46.035.

So... how do we go about reporting an improperly posted sign such as mentioned above so that it would be removed to prevent possible confusion.

TIA

-edited to fix Bander to Bandera --

There is no official way to report improperly posted signs. You can send a letter to the tax office or city, but that's about it. There is a bill (HB508) that has been filed that makes it a class 3 offense for public employees who post 30.06 signs improperly, but it obviously hasn't passed yt.

speedsix wrote:...sounds like a lot of monkey business to me...last time I took my boy...22 years ago...they had toothless lions that looked like rent house carpet and the place was filthy...haven't been back...never have gone to Dallas Zoo...don't want to leave my car on the lot where the animals can get to it...

How is it monkey business? The Crosby Fair & Rodeo grounds are privately owned. They can post 30.06 if they want. I know that I won't be going there because of it (not that I had any interest in going anyway).

Or did you mean the zoos? Both the Dallas & Fort Worth Zoos are city owned but privately managed. So their 30.06s are invalid and unenforceable. So, as lots of people here say, "concealed is concealed" and "carry away".

speedsix wrote:

Keith B wrote:

Sprite wrote:This weekend, Friday April 27 and Saturday April 28, the Crosby Fair and Rodeo grounds will be posted by an anti-gun nut for the Baytown Kennel Club show being held there. I have no idea what kind of signs will be put up but a Sheriff's Deputy on the
Crosby Fair and Rodeo Board supports this decision. The show chairman threatened me with arrest when I tried to inform him
about Texas law. Can't find anyone willing to stand up for our rights to set him straight.

This one may be legal to post. The only record in the CAD for taxes shows property for Crosby Fair & Rodeo Inc as the owner, not Harris County. Here is the link to the record http://www.hcad.org/records/details.asp ... bld=1&tab=" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, if the county has turned this land over to a private corporation to run, then they can post it as they see fit.

...same like the Ft. Worth Zoo, where the city owns it but it's managed by an Association...I guess...still doesn't seem right...???

I think by "turned over" he means that the city no longer owns it. According to the link above, the owner is "CROSBY FAIR & RODEO INC". Whereas the Fort Worth Zoo is owned by the city of Fort Worth and managed by the Fort Worth Zoological Association. Therefore their postings are invalid. Same as the Dallas Zoo. And yes, I've carried right past their 30.06 signs as if they didn't even exist.