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The woman who wrote the "5 most dangerous guns in America" article in Rolling Stone has written other things.
The above is what she wrote after Zimmerman was acquitted.
Translation: GZ was the victim of a hate crime who fought back and killed his attacker.jmra wrote:I don't even know what this means.nightmare wrote:He was killed by his hate crime victim.
Still Jane Fonda for me. Although Alex is an easily justifiable choice.mamabearCali wrote:I have a list of people I no longer can watch in movies because the sight of their faces causes my blood pressure to rise. Alec Balwin is on the top of the list.
philip964 wrote:Sarcasm on/
Spot-on post, IMO...HerbM wrote:Saying that Zimmerman is (automatically) at fault for "being there" is akin to blaming the rape or mugging victim for walking down the street -- it's wrong -- when the criminal attacks.
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This case (almost solely) comes down to a couple of simple things (there are complications but I will give some references to fill those in, and plenty to read at the bottom of this post):
Did Zimmerman criminally assault Martin first?
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Did Martin criminally assault Zimmerman first?
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The investigator/detective may have been stately a non-legal opinion "Hey, it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been there" but that is true of Martin as well. Or if you get mugged, it's true of you too. If you leave your house and get in an automobile accident caused by someone running a red light, it is still true that it would not have happened if you had stayed at home.
NONE of this is relevant to the LAW.
This is specifically why "Stand Your Ground" laws are so important to enact -- to keep otherwise well-meaning people from falling prey to such poor reasoning.
Now, if we are discussing GOOD SELF-DEFENSE, I will certainly tell you to follow the 4S rule: Don't do Stupid things, with Stupid people, in Stupid places, at Stupid times.
But doing one of those Stupids doesn't necessarily make you legally responsible -- just stupid, maybe.
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Notice that none of the following are illegal: 'Profiling', 'Pursuing', 'Following', 'Confronting'. 'Being rude', 'getting out of a truck', ''walking down a public sidewalk', even 'stalking' in the vernacular sense it would be used in this case**. Unless they are accompanied by criminal assault or some other actual crime.
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So, did Zimmerman assault Martin first (or commit some other significant CRIME) or not?
That is THE QUESTION.
The highly likely answer is "No" --
That Fire CAPTAIN is a moron for making that post.brainman wrote:To make matters worse, now we're punishing people for simply stating their opinion on the subject.
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Besides having disparaging words for the prosecutor, the post also said: "I and my coworkers could rewrite the book on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, (expletive), ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents, but like Mrs. Corey, we speak only the truth. They're just misunderstood little church going angels and the ghetto hoodie look doesn't have anything to do with why people wonder if they're about to get jacked by a thug,” he posted.
A disciplinary report said that the comment altered the reputation of the Fire Rescue department.
“The statement posted cast the subject in a negative light as well as brought ill repute to our entire organization as a result of the reference to 'my co-workers.'"
Hanlons Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.recaffeination wrote:There's a saying that we shouldn't attribute to malcr what can be explained by stupidity.
Now, according to the Orlando Sentinel, Zimmerman told police that Trayvon climbed on top of him and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloodied and battered and with a broken nose, and his lawyer says that only one side of the story is being reported.
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HANNITY: And the man who does not want his identity revealed says that when he came upon the fight, Zimmerman was on the bottom and he was the one yelling for help.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: The guy on the bottom who I believe had a red sweater on was yelling to me help, help, and I told him to stop and I was calling 911. I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.
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SHANNON BUTLER, FOX 35 NEWS REPORTER: Yes. There have been several witnesses who have come out since the initial report. The witness I think you're referring to is John, and John is the one that said that he actually saw the scuffle between the two other people that we interviewed said they heard the screams, they knew there was some kind of confrontation. But this guy told us that he actually saw what he said was Trayvon Martin on top of George Zimmerman beating him, and that's when he called 911. He said, Zimmerman was actually saying to him please help me, please help me. He said then he went upstairs while he was calling 911, by then he was too late, that gunshot had already gone off.
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According to WKMG, a 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman that officers were on the way and not to interfere.
