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by RoyGBiv
Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:48 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: This idiot is lucky he didn't get killed! what do u think?
Replies: 60
Views: 7211

Re: This idiot is lucky he didn't get killed! what do u thi

Oldgringo wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:So if I'm standing behind him on line and I overhear these threats...
And I see a "bulge" and his hand in his coat...
And I draw and fire.... injuring the guy, or worse..

Standing behind him in line, it's likely the entry wound would be in his back.
What's the likelihood of a "No-Bill".?
What's the liklihood of your 'back shot' passing through the "guy" and hitting the cashier or some other bystander? What if the cashier pulled a gun, shot the perceived threat and 2-3 people standing in line?

A CHL is not a BATMAN license.
I guess I'm confused a bit...
In what way is shooting an armed robber standing in front of me playing Batman?

In that situation, would you turn and run, exposing yourself to the BG?
Would you run and hope to get away, leaving the sales clerk to be robbed (minimum) and with her life in jeopardy?

Certainly, not all the facts are known, so, my (or your) reaction to the situation cannot be predicted from a simple scenario, however, facts as they are known.... Communicated threat of robbery, threat of a gun, threat to inflict bodily harm if robbery instructions are not complied with, an immediate threat of bodily harm to the sales clerk for sure, and to yourself proximately...

The question I asked was not... Would you be a hero...
The question I asked WAS.... If you took action and shot the robber in that situation, would it be "justifiable use of deadly force"?

Yes, there are a million and one things that could "possibly" happen.. but my question focuses one one very specific outcome.... You felt there was immediate thread of bodily harm, you fired on the robber, he was injured, the robbery was stopped.... and nothing else....
by RoyGBiv
Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:30 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: This idiot is lucky he didn't get killed! what do u think?
Replies: 60
Views: 7211

Re: This idiot is lucky he didn't get killed! what do u thi

So if I'm standing behind him on line and I overhear these threats...
And I see a "bulge" and his hand in his coat...
And I draw and fire.... injuring the guy, or worse..

Standing behind him in line, it's likely the entry wound would be in his back.

What's the likelihood of a "No-Bill".?
PC §9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in Subsection
(b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the
degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary
to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of
unlawful force. The actor's belief that the force was immediately
necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable
if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom
the force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to
enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle,
or place of business or employment;
(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to
remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation,
vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
(C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping,
murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery,
or aggravated robbery
;

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