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EEllis wrote:

A-R wrote:

EEllis wrote:Turns out that the guy they were looking for wasn't there during the raid. The guy had sold meth to a CI and the cops went to get a warrant and came back to serve the warrant and the guy left to make deliveries. The guy had been arrested for drugs and weapons charges before at that location. This seems to be an almost gang sale situation with "guards" often being at the location. The woman knew they sold drugs at that location and reportedly, by her statements to the police, would take the kids in the back room and lock the door while business was occurring.

I have NO interest in defending throwing a flashbang near a child. And what I'm about to write is in no way a defense nor excuse to that action. But I think a point made above has been missed in the bloodlust to again indict police for using " no-knock" tactics.

How much blame for this is placed on the child's parents for allowing the child to sleep in a known drug house and/or for the drug users / dealers for using/dealing with children around?

Again, this is not an excuse/defense for the police action. Just a desire to see requisite blame/responsibility on the people who put children into a dangerous environment.

Would the reaction be any different if the child was injured in inter-gang gun crossfire? Or is this lamentable only because some of the blame can be pointed at the police?

My comments usually are just written of because of being a police "apologist" but for the most part it seems people just use the child's injury to justify what they previously believed. The woman reportedly said that she locked her kids and herself in another room when they were dealing so she was concerned about safety and the situation. Drug houses have some closing time? After what time is it that you can be sure no one would try and jack your money or drugs? Is putting your kids playpen so close to the same door that they are selling drugs out of really that good of an idea at any hour. I won't come down on the woman to hard because when the choice is homelessness or staying with a shady relative........ but how much should you blame the cops? I also haven't seen any real conversations on strategy and tactics here. Strategy because it isn't just about the one raid. Following people until you can arrest them is great, setting up stings is awesome, but how does that effect the numbers of arrests they can make? The time they have available? The cost of operations? It can't be just about what is the best way to do one arrest. It has to be the best way to perform all the tasks required.

EEllis wrote:

SewTexas wrote:http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/to ... aid/nf9SJ/
with an update.
there were 4 kids inside the home! and the cops recon was simply incompetent, no signs of the kids? but there was a mini van with car seats and stickers everywhere.
BG wasn't even in the home at the time and it's probably a good thing. this could have gone so far south so quickly and I think the sheriff realizes it. I think he also realizes he may not have a job come next election.

In their defence the kids didn't live there, they were visiting. They say crib like it's a babies bed that is up high and you could see but it was a portable playpen that is low to the ground and was in the living room near the entrance. Now none of this make what happened OK but it does frame the situation a bit different.

mamabearCali wrote:What I don't get is why, in the name of all that is holy, if firearms and drugs are known to be present and are such a threat to officers lives that they have to engage in combat tactics with potential children in the home, don't they wait for the guy to be leaving 7-11 and take him there then get a warrant for the house and show up and get the evidence no drama needed.


If I can think of that, why can't they?

Like I have said before we all think we are so sofistcated in our police and criminal justice system, but in much more brutal times those who enforced the law were severely punished if they burned innocents along with the guilty.