Great comparison, a dog running at you is the same threat level as a stranger pointing a gun at you.victory wrote:No. I don't see anybody saying only the police and military need GSD. I don't see anybody saying we need to close the dog show loophole. I don't even see anybody saying there should be a required class and $140 fee for a five year license if you want to walk your dog in public.SRVVR wrote:Did I accidentally stumble onto the forum for Mom's Demand Action for Common Sense Dog Control or Everytown for Dog Safety?
I see people saying they will defend themselves. If some stranger comes on my property and points a gun at me, and I defend myself, that doesn't make me antigun.
My point about MDA and Everytown still stands by the fact that I am seeing several overreactions by uninformed individuals. I have read thousands of posts from members here about how those that are anti-gun do not spend the time to study or understand what it is they are so passionately against, yet in this one thread, I am seeing the exact same generalized comments against dog breeds from people that would crucify someone for saying the following against guns:
Cedar Park Dad wrote:If your pit is off a leash and comes near me I'd empty a mag in it and not give it another thought.
Cedar Park Dad wrote:If your dog is loose, by its very nature its a threat to everything around it.
Those don't sound familiar at all... wait:Cedar Park Dad wrote:A loose pit bull, which is what this referred to, most definitely is.
http://bearingarms.com/virginia-open-ca ... trol-loon/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/3 ... -c-w-cooke" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Whether intentional or not, Everytown was caught using false information:The Annoyed Man wrote:10 most dangerous breeds, based on biting statistics: http://puppytoob.com/dog-breeds/the-10- ... tistics/2/
10. St Bernards
9. Great Dane
8. Chow Chow
7. Doberman Pinscher
6. Malamute
5. Wolf-Dog Hybrid
4. Husky
3. German Shepherd
2. Rottweiler
1. Pit Bull
Other links:
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statis ... istics.php
http://www.dognotebook.com/15-dangerous ... ir-owners/
On the other hand, I have heard that Chihuahuas and Labs bite more people than any other breed, it's just that Chihuahuas never perform fatal attacks, and the number of bites is probably correlational with the popularity of the breed.
The thing is, I've only ever been bitten a few times in my life. The one that required medical attention was a bite to my hand when I was a small child. The dog was a German Shepherd. But I've been bitten a number of times by lapdogs of nearly every breed over the years. "Nipped" would be a more accurate word.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... rely-true/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06 ... -he-found/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Here's some additional information around one of the sources:
http://bslnews.org/2012/01/24/the-real- ... n-exposed/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.teampitafull.org/DogsBite.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Then we have some comments that are based on myths and half-truths, which are subsequently perpetuated when no one checks their facts when they read or hear something.
EEllis wrote:One of my big issues with pits is that some of them just don't exhibit the normal warning signs before they attack and once they get a lock on someone they can be amazingly hard to get off. I get that many breeds are called pits now days and with the getto dog breeding it gets even more complicated but that to me just says that people who go on about pits being such a great breed are less than objective.
Keith B wrote:The bad rap pits have gotten is that they have been used as fighting dogs because of their extremely powerful jaws and body strength. Unlike a dog with less jaw strength if they bite, the pressure exerted is much stronger and will do more damage. If you train them to be mean and want to fight or attack, then they will. A dachshund can be trained to be mean and attack too, but unless you are laying on the ground and let them chew on you for awhile, they are not gonna do much damage.
http://www.realpitbull.com/myths.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;EEllis wrote:Several things wrong with that. One, as mentioned, pits are several different breeds and a loose grouping of crossbred dogs so universal statements are obviously lacking. Two pit bulls are bred for fighting dogs not people. Historically aggressiveness towards handlers would get a dog culled but violence towards other dogs and animals were prized. Pits may not have a above average rate of attacks on humans but they do have an increased rate of attacks on other animals . Then you also have the fact that they can cause increased damage over other dogs the same size and combine that with atypical behavior patterns toward things they do attack, which makes it harder to tell when a pit might be aggressive. Well, concern about pits is only common sense. Then people say that "Their" pit, which may only be fractionally pit at all or not even any pit just having some of the same features that pits have, is a peaceful placid animal. So?Keith B wrote:Pit bulls are no more prone to attack than any other dog breed.
Now, slightly off the anti-gun track, though I could point it back to how they attack a sporting rifle as a machine gun or military style weapon, here is a little game you can play trying to identify the Pit Bull: http://www.pickthepit.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not trying to ruffle any feathers, okay, maybe just a little, but it has been fun reading posts that go on about dangerous breeds and how they wouldn't think twice about putting down one they perceived to be a threat. I am not discounting the 1st person reports that dog attacks happen, but there are exponentially less fatal dog attacks against humans than fatal attacks by humans against humans. According to the NCRC, there were 33 fatal dog attacks in 2010 (most recent report I could fine on short notice) and 14,748 murders that same year, based on the FBI's statistics. That equates to fatal dog attack rate of 0.042 per 100,000 dogs and a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000 humans, using the 2010 population of both species. I don't know about you, but I will trust any dog over any human any day, except a wiener dog...
As gun owners, we are constantly asking the populace to look at all the facts and take the time to understand the way of the gun (not the movie) before passing their own judgement. Just asking for the same courtesy across the board.
Anyway, y'all have a good rest of the weekend.
