Glockenhand you stated: "I have officed out of New York, Arizona and now Texas. In each case we follow the same criteria in determining any local or regional site codes we must follow. We begin with federal law, then state and local law. Once that matrix is compiled, legal interprets the code. After that process risk management is consulted. Other variables do come into play as well, but I assure you that local politics do not. It is a monies game pure and simple. I have heard of OCT and/or Grisham. I have even heard of you Charles. Some good...some not. However, I assure you that our decision to post 30.06 & 30.07 at our Texas sites has nothing to do with local issues you've descrived. Truth is, from a risk perspective we don't like anyone that we don't employ to enter our premises with a firearm and that includes local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians."
What type of companies do you provide security for? I cannot understand your logic for wanting "local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians" unarmed for your convenience. Are your officers the only people that can be trusted with a firearm? If so why?
Part of this information is available at the DPS website, the other you can ask Charles Cotton for. Police officers in the State of Texas are 7 times less likely than the general public to commit a crime. People that are Licensed to Carry Handguns in Texas are 17 times less likely than the general public to commit a crime. Why would your want to disarm the most law abiding people in the State. You can also check some of John Lott's information as this statistic holds up for other states as well.
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- Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:12 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Some places aren't wasting any time on the 30.07 signs
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- Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:42 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Some places aren't wasting any time on the 30.07 signs
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Re: Some places aren't wasting any time on the 30.07 signs
Sorry, but you don't have the full story. The thing with Grisham and OCT/OCTC goes back several years with things they have stated on this board, while "testifying" before the legislature, with some of their marches and interviews. They have attacked the views of people on this board and placed veiled threats. They want it their way or not at all, refusing any compermise, then claim credit for the little that gets passed despite their antics.glockenhand wrote:Charles, I don't know what your overt threat in "Don't do it again" is suppose to mean. I have not done anything wrong. I have worked in corporate security for the past 25 years. While things have definitely changed in that time, most of our thought processes have not. I have officed out of New York, Arizona and now Texas. In each case we follow the same criteria in determining any local or regional site codes we must follow. We begin with federal law, then state and local law. Once that matrix is compiled, legal interprets the code. After that process risk management is consulted. Other variables do come into play as well, but I assure you that local politics do not. It is a monies game pure and simple. I have heard of OCT and/or Grisham. I have even heard of you Charles. Some good...some not. However, I assure you that our decision to post 30.06 & 30.07 at our Texas sites has nothing to do with local issues you've descrived. Truth is, from a risk perspective we don't like anyone that we don't employ to enter our premises with a firearm and that includes local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians.Charles L. Cotton wrote:Coming to the defense of the person/entity that have caused Texas gun owners problems while issuing veiled insults to those who opposed those destructive tactics demonstrates much more. Don't do it again. Your goal is to stifle criticism of OCT and/or Grisham and that's not going to happen.glockenhand wrote:Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good.
Chas.
Now Charles ( both of you I guess), I don't fully understand the rift between you and the entities you've mention. I can however recognize intolerance and around here at least on the surface, it feels rampant. I could be wrong and I hope I am. But never in my life would I dream of speaking to anyone in a manner as those here have done to me.
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re: obamacare, no one likes it it. It is a badly written law that attempts to solve an issue it wasn't designed to solve. However, it was amusing to hear legal gripe about interpreting it. Anyone who voted for it I hold accountable. As I understand it, dems from around Hillary Clinton's time were/are the real architects of it. Obama just penned it.
Some of the others can give you more information with references if they want. You can do a search on this site for Grisham, OCT, OCTC and read the arguments for for yourself.