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superstar wrote:

apostate wrote: I completely missed how a dress code equates to "pseudo-ATF governing powers" and, to be honest, I'm still missing the connection.

I also disagree with the conclusion that OWB is inherently much faster than IWB, given comparable cover garments or lack thereof. However, I'm willing to look at the data with an open mind if you can share it.

What data? lol it's just logic. Most OWB that I have seen wear their shirts tucked in as opposed to IWB, are you telling me that lifting your shirt and or moving the jacket/sweater to retrieve your pistol in IWB is much faster than OWB? kudos to you if you are related to the flash.

If you read through the posts the pseudo-ATF governing powers was mentioned because it is the same range/store that are asking for the NFA stamps.

JustSomeOldGuy wrote:

superstar wrote:I think you missed the point above. Their requirements to carry IWB, no OWB. I think we can all agree that OWB is much faster to acquire the pistol than IWB. Wouldn't you want your employees to have that little edge over getting their pistol faster and be able to defend themselves?

That was the concern that prompted my question. If range staff are allowed to be armed, it's generally for security purposes. In that case, wouldn't you want to allow the employees to carry WHATEVER and HOWEVER that makes them most effective in placing that first shot on the target rapidly. So why specify a carry method that adds at minimum 0.5 sec to their draw? And probably more if the individual is not someone who carrys IWB on their own....

JustSomeOldGuy wrote:

extremist wrote: Just like the requirement that we as employees have to carry IWB, no OWB carry.
James

My curiosity compels me to ask what's the rationale behind this one? Cosmetic uniformity, like all employees wearing a company logo shirt?

Abraham wrote:So, as it turns out, the policy is homegrown...not mandated by law...mandated by the owner.

This is the kind of customer restraint that slowly kills businesses...

Word will get out, customer base will gradually decline as petty autocracy is especially frowned on in Texas.

Buh-bye business...

azwe wrote:

extremist wrote:
Chris, that is the policy at ShootPointBlank, it's in the range rules that you signed when you bought the waiver. I was teaching the LTC class last night but saw Dave T. come in with his Glock Gen5 shirt on and said hey. Didn't know he was shooting any NFA items. I would have said Hi if I would have seen you also. But the RSO should have asked him too, even though it may have annoyed him. But it's really not a big deal (at least to me) I always carry my Form 4 copies with me for the items I have. Go ahead and write to managment - they won't change it. Just the policy set by Tom the owner in Ohio. Just like the requirement that we as employees have to carry IWB, no OWB carry. I don't like it either, but if I want to work there, I live with it.

I think our range is pretty cool, RSOs are generally not annoying - I know I'm not when I'm on duty Clean, big and well lit.

James

Rules are rules but you mind telling me why? I refuse to go to a range that requires me to bring my original stamp.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

azwe wrote:Is there a requirement for you to bring your original tax stamp to the range when shooting a suppressor, SBR, or other NFA item? Today is the second time I've been told by a friend that they were turned away from a range because they only had a copy of their paperwork. My gun range has never asked me for the tax stamp or even a copy of it. I have copies in my range bag and one on my phone. Original is in the safe tucked away for safe keeping.

Obviously their range = their rules. I get it. But am I missing something? One range said that you could go to jail if you didn't have the original tax stamp in your possession at the range.

Must be a new trend. Just yesterday, I went to Shoot Point Blank in North Richland Hills for the first time, to try out my new pistol suppressor. At the register before entering the range, they asked me if I needed to rent any guns, and I said, no I brought my own and was just there to try out a new suppressor. Nobody cared.

Later, while at my shooting lane, the RSO came over to me, and asked me if this was my first time there, to which I said yes. Then he said, “do you have a stamp for that thing?” I said yes, and he asked me to produce it. I was shocked.....nobody has ever done that to me before, but I had paid for my hour of shooting, and wanted to get back at it without getting into an argument by telling him to go pound sand. So I got the copy out of my case and showed it to him, he thanked me, and I went back to shooting.

A couple of lanes over, there were two guys shooting several handguns and a 9mm SBR - all suppressed. One of them was apparently a Glock employee, which I discovered as we chatted briefly. After the RSO left, the Glock guy came over to me and asked incredulously, “did he just ask you to show your stamp?” When I said yes, he asked “what the heck for?” I said it beat the crap out of me, but that I complied so that I could get it over with and get back to shooting. He said, “that’s bovine manure!” To which I agreed. Nobody had asked him to produce his stamps.

On Monday, I will be sending an email to their management.