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by Winchster
Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:13 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Someone placing 30.07 signs in front of businesses...
Replies: 85
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Re: Someone placing 30.07 signs in front of businesses...

flintknapper wrote:
Not much to ponder, once it's been said and heard, notice has been given. You can't unhear it.
Yes, I am not arguing the mechanics of the notice, just not certain that notice given is 'permanent' or would not be required each time a person entered an establishment that has no sign or a non-compliant sign since one element required to make it an arrest-able offense is refusal to 'leave'.

I don't want to take this thread off course and discuss that here, but I can certainly imagine some savvy lawyers being able to make a good case for that.

No doubt, this will eventually end up in court. I will NOT be present, I can assure you.
I get that. It's merely my opinion that it's permanent. Kind of like being warned about trespassing, once you've been told, it's usually not a good idea to go back. Especially if they can claim or prove you've been warned. Make sensed?
by Winchster
Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:51 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Someone placing 30.07 signs in front of businesses...
Replies: 85
Views: 18692

Re: Someone placing 30.07 signs in front of businesses...

flintknapper wrote:
The problem is, if you/I make it a point to receive verbal notification in place of an invalid sign, there is a strong possibility that the notice you/I receive will be sufficient to prevent any type of carry forever in that establishment for you/I.
Yes Sir, I concede that is a possibility. The likelihood....I don't know, but you might be correct.
Verbal notice is permanent.
Not entirely convinced of this yet, but I am pondering it.
Human nature is going to prove the first part. ie "Sir, you're not allowed to carry a gun in here"
You/I have now received effective notice barring both types of carry.

Not much to ponder, once it's been said and heard, notice has been given. You can't unhear it.
by Winchster
Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Someone placing 30.07 signs in front of businesses...
Replies: 85
Views: 18692

Re: Someone placing 30.07 signs in front of businesses...

flintknapper wrote:
You keep saying they would have to put up compliant signs.
No, I keep saying they would need to put up 'compliant' signs in order to avoid the necessary LEGAL 'next step' of informing with respect to force of law.

I don't know how to get you to read with more comprehension? I will endeavor to be abundantly clear.

Thanks,

Flint.

Edited to add 'force of law'
The problem is, if you/I make it a point to receive verbal notification in place of an invalid sign, there is a strong possibility that the notice you/I receive will be sufficient to prevent any type of carry forever in that establishment for you/I.
Verbal notice is permanent.
Why ask for it when covering up prevents it?

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