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mojo84 wrote:

Winchster wrote:My only "sympathy" is in regards to the "take 'em all to jail with a million dollar bond, so we can sort it all out later" mentality that happened.
If merely wearing a patch is enough to suspend ones rights, what's the next symbol going to be?
It doesn't matter that there are known criminal elements in those clubs. Every single one of those men have rights, and those rights have been abused.

Sorry you can't grasp it's more than just wearing a patch.

mojo84 wrote:

Winchster wrote:By your lack of rebuttal, I will assume that you agree with my assessment in the first paragraph.

I never thought I'd find that mentality on a gun board.

I'll bow out of this thread now so as to not be perceived as picking a fight. FWIW, I mean no disrespect, you're as entitled to your opinions as I am mine. God bless and good night.

If you will read what I pointed you to, you'll see I rebutted your offbase comments well before you posted them. I'm not going to rehash the same crap with you. My opinion has changed. Try to catch up with the conversation before going away in a tizzy.

mojo84 wrote:

Winchster wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Claiming to be part of a criminal organization, 9 dead men and 18 others that were attempted to be killed just might be all the justification they need to set the bond at that level for now.

Several seem to be worried about the Constitutional rights of those good fellas that got licked up. What about the rights of lufe, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of the 9 good dead men and those 18 good citizens that were injured?

Those good citizens, as you say, were all patched members just like the 170. Are they to be arrested and charged upon release from the hospital?

Sorry you missed the obvious sarcasm. They are all criminal thugs and should be treated as such.

mojo84 wrote:Claiming to be part of a criminal organization, 9 dead men and 18 others that were attempted to be killed just might be all the justification they need to set the bond at that level for now.

Several seem to be worried about the Constitutional rights of those good fellas that got licked up. What about the rights of lufe, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of the 9 good dead men and those 18 good citizens that were injured?

mojo84 wrote:

Winchster wrote:

jmra wrote:

Winchster wrote:

jmra wrote: 200 people = 1000 pocket knifes? I don't think so. Keep spinning guys.

No, I'm saying that the police said that pocket knives are included in the total. So flip your argument, 200 people = 1000 firearms? Even less likely.

I never said firearms. I said it might as well be a gun show because over a thousand weapons were confiscated. Gun shows often have as many knives as they do firearms.

And my point was, they keep making claims about the huge number they've collected, and that number is inflated because they are counting anything as a weapon. Including pocket knives. The "real" number of actual weapons is much smaller.

So? There are still 9 dead men. What does it matter how many weapons?

jmra wrote:

Winchster wrote:

jmra wrote: 200 people = 1000 pocket knifes? I don't think so. Keep spinning guys.

No, I'm saying that the police said that pocket knives are included in the total. So flip your argument, 200 people = 1000 firearms? Even less likely.

I never said firearms. I said it might as well be a gun show because over a thousand weapons were confiscated. Gun shows often have as many knives as they do firearms.

jmra wrote: 200 people = 1000 pocket knifes? I don't think so. Keep spinning guys.

jmra wrote:

RPBrown wrote:I have just read this entire topic and have to put in my .02.

As you may can tell from my avitar, I ride a Harley, I am a patch wearing member of the Patriot Guard Riders, The Masonic Riding Club, and Fellowship Riders. Yes I have a vest for each orginazation and wear each proudly.

I have been to more than 1 of the TXCoC meetings representing one or more of these orginizations and to get insight on new and existing laws, safety campaigns, and upcoming rallies. Untill a few months ago, there was never an issue anywhere near this magnitude but there have been some minor altercations that were quickly put to rest by the membership that was there. However, this event has been brewing for about a year. Now I am not going to put blame on any club because I wasn't there by the grace of God. I do know that the Cossacks did not want to conform to the "rules" butin my opinion, there shouldn't be "territory" anyway.

With the above statement said, I am no outlaw, I know some of you here personally and don't think you consider me an outlaw. I don't ride with outlaw clubs UNLESS it is to benifit a charity I believe in such as Toys for Tots, Scottish Rite Hospital, Shriners Burn Center and etc. So to say that because I very well could have been to this event makes me an outlaw biker gang member because I associate with them on occassion is ludicrus.

Now, I have been on this forum for a long time and one of the best things that I like about the forum is that for the most part we all believe in the constitution, at least unbtil now. I am shocked tpo see the posts that agree with arresting everyone, if you associate with these clubs you must be an outlaw too, and none of these people should have a CHL because they are all criminals. This is no less profiling than a LEO stopping you because you have a bulge that may or may not be a legally carried gun, or because you drive a 1960's muscle car, or you live in a "bad part of town". IT'S PROFILING no matter how you twist the words.

Now, I don't know who all was arrested or what clubs they belonged to. But I can tell you there are usually no more than 20-25 people from each club present at a CoC meeting, if that many. So it tells me that most likely there were some arrested that were no more a part of this than I am.

Also, if this scenario were carried out at a gun show where they arrested all that came out, everyone here would be screaming.

Remember folks, "judge not lest you be judged". I also aske for prayers for the families of those affected by this horrible incident.

When is the last time 9 people were killed at a gun show? Of course we just as soon call it a gun show given the fact that over a thousand weapons were confiscated.