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by Mithras61
Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:46 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: PI while carrying
Replies: 21
Views: 3361

Re: PI while carrying

KD5NRH wrote:
Mithras61 wrote:This concerns me. The CHL laws don't specify a BAL for intoxication, so as I understand it, a breathalyzer is not required. He could easily be convicted if the officer felt he was impaired even though he was legal to drive.
This is one that I've wondered about; if I go to a bar or restaurant, (leaving the gun in the car, of course) and have a beer or two, wait a couple hours, and head home, how hard would it be for a cop to say I was too intoxicated to carry but not DUI? If he didn't offer or require a breathalyzer or blood test, I could see a jury smelling a rat when he claims I was visibly intoxicated enough to arrest while driving, but not enough to go through the DUI procedures.
In your specific circumstances, I can see how a jury could smell a rat, but the original post was that the accused was approached in a parking lot, and the charge is not DUI, but PI. The law on PI is:
49.02 Public Intoxication

"Public Intoxication" means:

A person commits an offense if the person appears in a public place while intoxicated to the degree that the person may endanger the person or another.

"Intoxicated" is defined as:

A. not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or

B. having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.
If the offense is claimed under 49.02(A), then a breathalyzer wouldn't be required, and it appears that if the LEO observed activity that indicated to the LEO that the accused was intoxicated (such as sipping on a beer), then the arrest can be made without any further investigation.
by Mithras61
Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:11 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: PI while carrying
Replies: 21
Views: 3361

Re: PI while carrying

Working Man wrote:Situation:
A work associate recently received a PI while carrying. He claims he was
not intoxicated and did not take the breathalyzer. He was approached in
the parking lot IIRC. He has retained the services of a lawyer but has not
gone to court about this yet.
This concerns me. The CHL laws don't specify a BAL for intoxication, so as I understand it, a breathalyzer is not required. He could easily be convicted if the officer felt he was impaired even though he was legal to drive.

Texas Penal Code 46.035 (d) says "A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed." and some LEOs claim this means that if you have consumed ANY alcohol, you are intoxicated. My understanding is that this is because the code doesn't cite the relevant portion of Texas law where "intoxicated" is defined.

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