trdvet wrote:wheelgun1958 wrote:AEA wrote:Believe it or not.....not all LEO's agree with us Civilians exercising our rights (within the Law) and if their Chief is one of these type, then you can expect the same from all the Dept. Officers.
If you're not in the military and subject to the UCMJ, you are a civilian.
Wrong and wrong.
Chiefs are politicians/admin and have their own agenda.
"Civilian"- 1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.
2. Informal. anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider
Definitions of
civilian on the Web:
* a nonmilitary citizen
* associated with or performed by civilians as contrasted with the military; "civilian clothing"; "civilian life"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
* In times of armed conflict a civilian is any person who is not a combatant. The term is used officially to describe those who do not belong to the military. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian
I guess it depends on whose dictionary you use. In my experience, most military/ex-military use the latter definitions. Given the definitions I quoted, police, firemen and various other civil servants are civilians (no matter how "military" their style and training). This includes Federal agencies (such as the FBI) as well.