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oohrah wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:18 pm Unfortunately, can't even try CBD. I have several US Govt licenses including a pilot license. As long as cannabis is a Fed no-no, I can't afford to get near the stuff.

4473 and LTC instructor's licenses are the main reason I don't even experiment with the stuff. I have my Student's Pilot License. But when Covid hit I was out of the seat for so long that I decided to sink that money into my house instead of finishing the license. I miss getting up in the air, but I can't really say I'd use it as often as I thought I would when I started.

If it were legalized federally I might try it for it's pain killing properties. Getting older sucks. But it beats the alternative.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:18 pm The other fallacy is that marijuana is somehow a "gateway drug". More propaganda from those who have no idea of what they speak. If anything is a gateway drug, it is alcohol. I was sneaking liquor out from under friends family liquor cabinets way before smoking pot. I have known many folks who never smoked pot but started taking pain killers from an injury and before they knew it were sitting in rehab trying to break the addiction. Would this qualify pain medication as a gateway drug. There are many folks who won't smoke pot but start doing coke. Two different drugs, two completely different affects.

It actually is a gateway... But not due to the drug itself. Because it's illegal, you end up being in circles that normalize the rest of the drugs too. Putting Pot into the same classification as Heroin, Crack, Fentanyl... It's crazy. If you bought a pack of joints like a pack of cigarettes at the liquor store I don't see it any different than buying a case of beer. Change ATF to ATS. Alcohol, Tobacco and Substances... Get them out of the Firearm business and let them deal with pot.

powerboatr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:41 pm the problem as i see it is. if its treated like alcohol...then driving just became even more dangerous.
DUI DWI are not caught or punished enough.

around here with the lake, we have lots of folks driving under influence, on the water and pulling a boat behind a vehicle. you can watch them stagger out of the boat and get behind the wheel. NEVER caught
so with pot, it will be same thing, stoned and not having to pee and kills me in a head on.
my folks got hit a few years back at 65 to 70 head one on a two lane road her, driver was asleep because she was so impaired. only my Gods grace did they not get killed. modern crash worthiness saved their lives. plus she had two babies in the car without car seats...she got zero tickets or jail
troopers said they didnt see her with kids n car...WHAT?? they were in the ambulance by time police arrived

I don't see lack of enforcement of the law as reason to make other laws.

It is illegal to drive impaired. If that's alcohol, pot or even cough medicine.

I'm not one to partake of it. But I do think it's way past time to end the prohibition and treat it like we do alcohol.

I didn't always have this view. I have a younger brother that threw away a very promising career because he felt that being drug tested for pot was the hill to die on. He was in charge of a very large crew building electric substations. He was being groomed for much bigger things, and the owner's son was part of his crew being groomed to replace my brother. The owner's son ended up getting hurt on the job. Came up hot on a test, and started whining "they all do it" when he was terminated per company policy. A mobile lab was brought out to the site to test all the employees. Several walked off the job. My brother was one of them. I don't know if he would have failed the test, but to him it wasn't about a pass or fail of the test. He felt they had no right to test him or his guys for things they did on their off time. So for many years I felt that it ruined peoples lives. But as I've gotten older, I've seen much worse happen in other people's lives for things that are legal. And I feel that it is the policy that was the cause of his setback. My brother has a great career now, just not what he would have had