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03Lightningrocks wrote:

PhillRoath wrote:"........"Abraham".....
All of us would be making split second decisions, but this is probably what I would do. I have zero faith in these criminals not killing someone.

So your solution is to react in a manor that would insure they kill someone? Heck, you might even kill an innocent yourself. Count them again folks... Six robbers!! One person cannot win that battle in a crowded restaurant without being responsible for the deaths of many innocents. It is delusional at best to think otherwise.

That's quite a leap of logic. If we do nothing, they will not hurt anyone, and if we do something, they will kill. In a recent similar event at a McDonalds, no one resisted but a customer (male) died shielding children. There have been other robberies where innocents have been executed. Do we wait until they've executed someone just to be sure?

Note also that I said what I would PROBABLY do. And I would not just start blazing away.

To fight back or not to fight back, that is the question. And there is no way that we can know with certainty what results would be in either case. In most of these fast food fiascos, the perpetrators are coward punks who would most likely run when confronted by someone.

I will not surrender my weapon and will take whatever action I deem the best action.

I will never just give up and trust these cowards. I've lived too many years to try and change now.

rbwhatever1 wrote:As for me personally I would have resisted and it would have been over in a few seconds one way or another. I just will never lay down and hand over my life or my families lives freely to an armed gang to do with as they please. Never going to happen.

Armed Thugs that prey on weak unarmed members of Society will never stop until an Armed Society confronts them head on and makes it extremely dangerous to be a Predator. ...

All of us would be making split second decisions, but this is probably what I would do. I have zero faith in these criminals not killing someone.

texanjoker wrote:This is a nightmare scenario. I had a co worker years ago eating when 2 suspects did a take over robbery. One had a ak the other a handgun. He chose not to get in a gun fight. They saw his fannypack and asked what was in it. He replied gun. They proned him out and took it along with his badge. He thought he was going to die, but didnt want gunfire directed at his family.

I knew another leo that got into a shootout with 4 armed suspects. He hit 3 out of 4

I remember when part of standard training was to go over "The Onion Field" and why an officer should never give up their firearm. Tough scenario, but this places your faith in the bad guys actions.