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A little bit of thread veer, but....
I've often found that even if there is a wait, alot of chains have open tables in the bar seating area.
tieing it back into the thread, being able to sit in the resturant bar area while carrynig is convinent.

Fangs wrote:

jamisjockey wrote:Quite frankly, it was generally insulting that the original post I quoted would just assume that someone being a drunk moron must obviously have a Utah CFP.

I think you misunderstood the poster you quoted. I took it as: "Maybe this drunk moron had an out of state license and didn't have the Texas law covered in his class." The Utah comment was most likely in reference to a recent thread where people saw an advertisement for a Utah CFP class that was under 2 hours long, with NO shooting portion.

As opposed to "everyone with a Utah CFP is a drunk moron."

Just my thoughts.

If someone is advertising 2 hour Utah courses, they are not complying with the cirriculum laid out by the Utah DPS. My course was about 8 hours long. The mandatory minimum cirriculum is a 50 page handbook.
And either way the post I quoted is awful presumptive. Should I assume that every moron on the road doesn't have a Texas driver's license?

Ignorance of the law is never a defense, a point I certainly agree with you on. Personally, I studied the Texas laws before I moved here in may and again before I took the Texas CHL course this last weekend. It didn't take very long to print and read the readily available handbook.

Not to pick nits, but

41-6a-502. Driving under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or a combination of both or with specified or unsafe blood alcohol concentration -- Reporting of convictions.
(1) A person may not operate or be in actual physical control of a vehicle within this state if the person:
(a) has sufficient alcohol in the person's body that a subsequent chemical test shows that the person has a blood or breath alcohol concentration of .08 grams or greater at the time of the test;
(b) is under the influence of alcohol, any drug, or the combined influence of alcohol and any drug to a degree that renders the person incapable of safely operating a vehicle; or

As referenced in the Utah CHL laws. Took me about thirty seconds to cross reference the actual statute, although I recall the material from my CFP course.

Quite frankly, it was generally insulting that the original post I quoted would just assume that someone being a drunk moron must obviously have a Utah CFP.

TexasGal wrote: You are a wise man.
I wonder if his CHL was one of those advertised as real easy with little classroom and no qualifying? (cough, Utah). If you are going to carry in Texas, please take the time to learn all the laws no matter how short you wanted your class time to be to get a license. Ignorance of the laws reflects unfavorably on every one of us.

Your statment is a little bit ignorant. No offense intended, but from the Utah Penal code:

76-10-528. Carrying a dangerous weapon while under influence of alcohol or drugs
unlawful.
(1) Any person who carries a dangerous weapon while under the influence of alcohol or a
controlled substance as defined in Section 58-37-2 is guilty of a class B misdemeanor. Under the
influence means the same level of influence or blood or breath alcohol concentration as provided
in Subsections 41-6a-502(1)(a) through(c).(2) It is not a defense to prosecution under this section that the person:
(a) is licensed in the pursuit of wildlife of any kind; or
(b) has a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm.

I'm a Utah permit holder and took my class 8 years ago. I remember clearly being taught this section. If you know of an instructor who isn't teaching the required cirriculum mandated by the State of Utah, then turn them in.
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