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by Dave2
Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:17 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: If Obama gets relected.....
Replies: 67
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Re: If Obama gets relected.....

woodsong wrote:It could turn into a disaster, though, if Obama gets to appoint another Supreme and enough Republican Senators cave in and vote for approval. That would be the end of life as we know it -- a liberal controlled court would flush the Constitution away.
Yep. I'm also concerned about what would happen at the "Justice" Dept and TSA. Eric Holder is both corrupt and incompetent. Imagine if Obama could find someone who was actually good at it. And I'm sure the TSA would get worse, too (come to think of it, I'm worried about that regardless of who wins).
by Dave2
Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:33 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: If Obama gets relected.....
Replies: 67
Views: 7842

Re: If Obama gets relected.....

texasmusic wrote:My point being that we do get a lot of disagreeable laws among the states handed down from DC (NFA, Controlled substances act). While we could just leave that sort of thing to the States. Let the Californians have their dope let us Texans have our guns. Why should there be a blanket law applied between two different cultures of this kind. The traffic of drugs/guns between the two could obviously be regulated like the ICC was intended.
What do you mean by "ICC"?
by Dave2
Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:05 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: If Obama gets relected.....
Replies: 67
Views: 7842

Re: If Obama gets relected.....

texasmusic wrote:
EconDoc wrote:
That position, taken to extremes, would eliminate laws against murder, theft, fraud, etc. I assume that you mean, by bad behavior, that you don't want to see "victimless" crimes outlawed, but you don't object to laws against crimes where another is injured, either physically or financially through assault, theft, fraud, extortion and the like. To that degree, I agree with you. However, the problem comes in defining "victimless". If some bozo goes to a prostitute and brings an HIV infection home to his wife, are his actions still victimless? Ah, therein lies the rub (to quote Shakespeare). Think it over.

:patriot: :txflag:
It wouldn't. You have described crimes with a clear victim. If your actions intentionally/knowingly harm someone else, government should step in and make sure you assume responsibility. If your actions harm yourself or harm nobody, government needs to stay out.

Both sides of the isle need to quit running to the federal government [emphasis added] with their agendas. That's what got us in this situation. I don't think we will dig ourselves out of it until we all realize that while the R's and D's throw punches by legislating our personal behavior from DC, we're the ones getting the black eyes.
More to the point (well, more to my point, anyway), I believe those are all state-level crimes.
by Dave2
Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:04 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: If Obama gets relected.....
Replies: 67
Views: 7842

Re: If Obama gets relected.....

sookandy wrote:The OPs link makes me think of the Molotov Ribbentrop deal. And we all know how that turned out.
Never heard of it... Off to Google!

... oh, that. I didn't realize it had a special name.

Edit: Thanks, RoyGBiv :tiphat:

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