Thanks :-)hirundo82 wrote:The 3 sitting in my closet are all marked as being made by Waffenfabrik Bern.Dave2 wrote:[*]Swiss Karabiner Model 1931 (Yes, "Swiss" is more of a country than a manufacturer, but I, um... don't actually know who made them.)
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- Fri May 27, 2011 10:43 pm
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Re: If you could have any five guns???
- Fri May 27, 2011 1:55 pm
- Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
- Topic: If you could have any five guns???
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Re: If you could have any five guns???
Five guns that I want for general use, five guns that I want because "they're just SO COOL!!!!", or five guns for a survival scenario?
If we're talking general use, my five are:
If we're talking about survival scenarios, then things get complicated... If by "survival" you mean going on a somewhat extended camping trip here in TX, then I'd take a Glock 20. Fifteen rounds of full-power 10mm in a semi-auto pistol is tough to beat***.
But if we're talking about the break-down of society and I've gotta defend against the possibility of armed people trying to raid my food & water supplies or something, then I've gotta weigh the logistical benefits of have one round for both pistols and carbines (FNH FiveSeveN & PS90) vs bullets that are a bit more optimized for the task (probably 10mm for pistols, and AK-47, AR-15, or AR-10 for carbines and short/medium-range rifles). And for a long-range rifle, do I go for the astonishing performance of the CheyTac Intervention (which past about 700m is actually more powerful than a .50 BMG, and stays supersonic clear out to 2Km), or do I stick with whatever packs the biggest punch at the I'm-not-a-sniper ranges (.50 BMG)?
*And on paper, my Dad has given me his old Winchester .308 that he used to hunt with when he was a kid. I say "on paper" because my parents live near San Francisco and I haven't bothered to retrieve it yet. Also, I like bullpups (which the Winchester is not), so I might be looking in to a Kel-Tec RFB (if it proves safe, reliable, and accurate) or some other such thing later on. But for now, I'm good.
**In my wildest shotgunning dreams, I want a semi-auto AA-12. But since that doesn't exist, my second choice is a Saiga 12 with a bullpup conversion kit, for these three reasons. 1) I like bullpup designs. They're a more efficient use of space and give you a longer barrel without getting unwieldy. 2) It has detachable magazines so you can reload faster. 3) It's Semi-auto, not pump. I was raised on computers and gizmos. I can't even drive a manual transmission car without grinding gears and lurching about the place. Semi-auto, please. However, the Saigas are getting hard to find, when you can find them they're being sold at unreasonable prices, and that conversion kit isn't even out yet. Despite a removable magazine being the feature I want the most, I'm thinking I'll probably end up with a Mossberg 930 SPX Tactical or FNH SLP Mark I. The Benellis are really nice, but they're a bit expensive and their magazines max out at the M2 Tactical's 5-round capacity. I know you can get extension tubes for them, but you can do that for the other ones, too, and they both start out with 8-round magazines. The Kel-Tec KSG is another option. Yes, it isn't semi-auto, I know, but the 14+1 magazine is seriously appealing to me. Plus, if I wait long enough, there's a snowball's chance on a sunny TX summer day that they might make a semi-auto version.
***The EAA Witness Match is tempting... it's got the right grip angle (my one real gripe with the Glocks), but I just don't know about the quality. They seem to have some rather long-standing QC issues with the non-match version's slide cracking. I understand that sometimes there are some reliability issues when certain designs get chambered for certain calibers, but cracked slides? You'd think they'd have been on that one sooner. And maybe they are, I don't know. It's a somewhat uncommon gun chambered in a somewhat uncommon caliber... I just can't find that much recent data on them, therefore I don't know if they've fixed their issues. I know Colt has rereleased the Delta Elite (or will soon), but I don't like the relatively low magazine capacity. Another option would be the STI Perfect 10 or one of Fusion Firearm's wide-body 10mm offerings. A 10mm "2011" with a 17(!)-round nearly flush-fitting magazine sounds awfully nice, but the STI is $2,500 and Fusions seem to start around $1,500. In my book that's a bit much for a camping gun. Of course, if Sig would get it the game... The P220 is stuck with a single-stack magazine, and, according to someone on Sigforum claiming to have gun-smithing knowledge, the P266's frame can't handle the stress of the full-house 10mm rounds. So then maybe widen the P220's grip to allow double-stack mags or strengthen the P226's frame to take the heat? Maybe a P221 or P227? <Sigh> A man can dream...
If we're talking general use, my five are:
- A CCW pistol for EDC (Sig P226, check)
- A rifle suitable for hunting (Mosin Nagant*, check)
- A 12-gauge shotgun suitable for home defense and hunting**
- A decent .22LR pistol for plinking (S&W .22A1, check)
- Ruger 10/22
- Mosin Nagant (check)
- Springfield M1903
- Lee-Enfield SMLE Mk III
- Springfield M1 Garand
- Springfield M14
- Mauser Karabiner 98 Kurz
- Swiss Karabiner Model 1931 (Yes, "Swiss" is more of a country than a manufacturer, but I, um... don't actually know who made them.)
If we're talking about survival scenarios, then things get complicated... If by "survival" you mean going on a somewhat extended camping trip here in TX, then I'd take a Glock 20. Fifteen rounds of full-power 10mm in a semi-auto pistol is tough to beat***.
But if we're talking about the break-down of society and I've gotta defend against the possibility of armed people trying to raid my food & water supplies or something, then I've gotta weigh the logistical benefits of have one round for both pistols and carbines (FNH FiveSeveN & PS90) vs bullets that are a bit more optimized for the task (probably 10mm for pistols, and AK-47, AR-15, or AR-10 for carbines and short/medium-range rifles). And for a long-range rifle, do I go for the astonishing performance of the CheyTac Intervention (which past about 700m is actually more powerful than a .50 BMG, and stays supersonic clear out to 2Km), or do I stick with whatever packs the biggest punch at the I'm-not-a-sniper ranges (.50 BMG)?
*And on paper, my Dad has given me his old Winchester .308 that he used to hunt with when he was a kid. I say "on paper" because my parents live near San Francisco and I haven't bothered to retrieve it yet. Also, I like bullpups (which the Winchester is not), so I might be looking in to a Kel-Tec RFB (if it proves safe, reliable, and accurate) or some other such thing later on. But for now, I'm good.
**In my wildest shotgunning dreams, I want a semi-auto AA-12. But since that doesn't exist, my second choice is a Saiga 12 with a bullpup conversion kit, for these three reasons. 1) I like bullpup designs. They're a more efficient use of space and give you a longer barrel without getting unwieldy. 2) It has detachable magazines so you can reload faster. 3) It's Semi-auto, not pump. I was raised on computers and gizmos. I can't even drive a manual transmission car without grinding gears and lurching about the place. Semi-auto, please. However, the Saigas are getting hard to find, when you can find them they're being sold at unreasonable prices, and that conversion kit isn't even out yet. Despite a removable magazine being the feature I want the most, I'm thinking I'll probably end up with a Mossberg 930 SPX Tactical or FNH SLP Mark I. The Benellis are really nice, but they're a bit expensive and their magazines max out at the M2 Tactical's 5-round capacity. I know you can get extension tubes for them, but you can do that for the other ones, too, and they both start out with 8-round magazines. The Kel-Tec KSG is another option. Yes, it isn't semi-auto, I know, but the 14+1 magazine is seriously appealing to me. Plus, if I wait long enough, there's a snowball's chance on a sunny TX summer day that they might make a semi-auto version.
***The EAA Witness Match is tempting... it's got the right grip angle (my one real gripe with the Glocks), but I just don't know about the quality. They seem to have some rather long-standing QC issues with the non-match version's slide cracking. I understand that sometimes there are some reliability issues when certain designs get chambered for certain calibers, but cracked slides? You'd think they'd have been on that one sooner. And maybe they are, I don't know. It's a somewhat uncommon gun chambered in a somewhat uncommon caliber... I just can't find that much recent data on them, therefore I don't know if they've fixed their issues. I know Colt has rereleased the Delta Elite (or will soon), but I don't like the relatively low magazine capacity. Another option would be the STI Perfect 10 or one of Fusion Firearm's wide-body 10mm offerings. A 10mm "2011" with a 17(!)-round nearly flush-fitting magazine sounds awfully nice, but the STI is $2,500 and Fusions seem to start around $1,500. In my book that's a bit much for a camping gun. Of course, if Sig would get it the game... The P220 is stuck with a single-stack magazine, and, according to someone on Sigforum claiming to have gun-smithing knowledge, the P266's frame can't handle the stress of the full-house 10mm rounds. So then maybe widen the P220's grip to allow double-stack mags or strengthen the P226's frame to take the heat? Maybe a P221 or P227? <Sigh> A man can dream...