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by Jumping Frog
Fri May 25, 2012 6:45 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Army bans commercial M-4 magazines
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Re: Army bans commercial M-4 magazines

donkey wrote:A couple of things to keep in mind:

3. Some soldiers think all polymer magazines are created equal. You have guys that go out and buy PMAG knock-offs because they cost less and they end up using a magazine than is inferior to both the PMAG and the standard USGI magazine. In typical military fashion the solution is to ban all polymer magazines, rather than identify substandard brands.
Yeah, for every informed soldier using Pmags and Lancers there's also some poor schmuck using Tapco mags.
by Jumping Frog
Fri May 25, 2012 1:51 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Army bans commercial M-4 magazines
Replies: 47
Views: 7070

Re: Army bans commercial M-4 magazines

Sandbox veterans who have experienced both magazine types in those harsh conditions when their lives were on the line seem pretty uniformly appalled at this decision.

Read some of the comments to the article.
by Jumping Frog
Fri May 25, 2012 10:34 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Army bans commercial M-4 magazines
Replies: 47
Views: 7070

Army bans commercial M-4 magazines

In Reversal, Army Bans High-Performance Rifle Mags
The Army has ordered that soldiers may use only government-issued magazines with their M4 carbines, a move that effectively bans one of the most dependable and widely used commercial-made magazines on today’s battlefield.

The past decade of war has spawned a wave of innovation in the commercial soldier weapons and equipment market. As a result, trigger-pullers in the Army, Marines and various service special operations communities now go to war armed with commercially designed kit that’s been tested under the most extreme combat conditions.

Near the top of such advancements is the PMAG polymer M4 magazine, introduced by Magpul Industries Corp. in 2007. Its rugged design has made it as one of the top performers in the small-arms accessory arena, according to combat veterans who credit the PMAG with drastically improving the reliability of the M4.

Despite the success of the PMAG, Army officials from the TACOM Life Cycle Management Command issued a “safety of use message” in April that placed it, and all other polymer magazines, on an unauthorized list.
What difference does it make? Well...
Soldiers from B Troop, 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, had been issued PMAGs before deploying to Afghanistan in 2009. On Oct. 3 of that year, they fought off a bold enemy attack on Combat Outpost Keating that lasted for more than six hours and left eight Americans dead. Some soldiers fired up to 40 PMAGs from their M4s without a single stoppage.
And...
TACOM’s message authorizes soldiers to use the Army’s improved magazine, which PEO Soldier developed after the M4 finished last against three other carbines in a 2007 reliability test. The “dust test” revealed that 27 percent of the M4’s stoppages were magazine related.
And they banned them with no explanation conveniently at the beginning of a 4-day weekend so there will be no one around to respond to questions. I can't imagine there isn't a political reason (and some moron bureaucrat) involved here.

The various branches of the military are supplied by a specific vendor for small arms magazines. Perhaps this vendor is losing out on sales. Follow the money.

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