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WildBill wrote:

GrayGuy wrote:So, then, what’s to be gained by going into an establishment with an illegal 30.06 sign. As I said in my first post, “This makes for a very bad day.”

What's to be gained is being legally armed and able to defend yourself if the need arises. Since you are legal, there is really no downside. In the context of this thread, I thought of some more ways that you might "feel foolish", but would "make for a very bad day."

Let's say that you are carrying, concealed of course, and you want to go to the local store to pick up some milk. You drive to the store, park the car next to a police car, get out and walk up to the front door. You see a gunbuster [not valid 30.06] sign. What do you do so you don't feel foolish?

1. Since you don't want to go past an invalid sign you go back to the car. While you are taking your gun out of the holster to put it in your glove box, you expose it to the cop parked next to you.

Do you feel foolish when the LEO arrests you for failure to conceal?

2. You walk back from your car and enter the store unarmed. While you are shopping a BG comes in to rob the place. He shoots the owner, empties the cash register, and then shoots you.

Assuming you aren't dead, do you feel foolish for leaving your gun in the car and seeing the shop owner killed and you with a bullet wound?

3. After shopping, you walk back to your car and see a window smashed and your gun has been taken out of your car.

Do you feel foolish for leaving your gun in the car when you didn't have to?

4. You walk back to your car and see a the window smashed. Then you notice that a BG has your gun and is pointing it at you demanding your car keys.

Do you feel foolish now?

So Bill tell me what if it was a valid 30.06 sign, I would feel just as foolish?

Hi Guys,
Since my initial post I’ve received many responses. Most I don’t think understand what I was saying. This is probably because I’m not very good at expressing my thoughts in writing.

I’ll give it another try, so bear with me.

In reading the posts in this thread it seemed to me the thought was because a sign was not 30.06 compliant you legally had the right to enter the establishment, this may be true, so, I asked the question, “Why would you want to enter.” BuffaloBill answered and respect his reasons.

In my opinion, if an establishment posts a sign which is not 30.06 compliant that states “No guns allowed.” To me it says if you have a gun don’t bother entering.

If I am carrying and enter the establishment I stand the chance of being made. And, if I’m made there are several scenarios that could happen—I gave a few of them in my first post and they are based on the reason you entered the establishment.

I’m the type of guy that would feel foolish in that situation because I knew they didn’t want me in there carrying, but, I went ahead and did it any way. If they ask me to leave of course I would leave and probably very red-faced.

But, suppose I went in to prove a point about the illegal signs. How would you do that? The only way in this situation would be to say no when asked to leave. This of course would be stupid because it’s off the jail and then you could tell the judge about the illegal sign. Then it’s up to the judge what happens. This is a chance I would not want to take.

So, then, what’s to be gained by going into an establishment with an illegal 30.06 sign. As I said in my first post, “This makes for a very bad day.”

Now if you don’t understand what I’m saying, well I’m sorry, this is the best I can do.

WildBill wrote:

GrayGuy wrote:I’m a new grandpa on the CHL block, and maybe I’m missing the point. Hopefully you guys can explain it to me.

Why would you want to go into an establishment with a posted sign restricting guns even if it does not meet the specifications in the law?

Isn’t that forcing an issue you could loose not to mention the possible legal expenses that could be incurred if you are spotted and sued.

Welcome to the Forum GrayGuy.

1. I would want to go in because, I legally can go in. Some people wouldn't go in because of "the principle", but invalid signs do not offend me.

2. I wouldn't be "forcing any issue". That is why there are specific requirements for valid postings. Even if you were spotted, you would not be breaking any law and there would be no basis for being sued. If they asked me to leave, I would immediately leave.

WildBill, I respect your views, but, what I see happening in that situation is:
You are asked to leave the establishment.
If I leave I would feel a little foolish because I knew they didn’t want me and my gun there.
If I don’t leave then the cops are called and they will ask me to leave and at that point I would leave, again feeling a little foolish.
If I didn’t leave then I assume I would be removed forcefully and booked for on one of the trespass laws.

To me that makes for a bad day and I’m not sure I would want to go through all that.

I’m a new grandpa on the CHL block, and maybe I’m missing the point. Hopefully you guys can explain it to me.

Why would you want to go into an establishment with a posted sign restricting guns even if it does not meet the specifications in the law?

Isn’t that forcing an issue you could loose not to mention the possible legal expenses that could be incurred if you are spotted and sued.