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by steveincowtown
Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:30 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Senators seek back room deal on firearm background checks
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Re: Senators seek back room deal on firearm background check

I am going to check out of this thread. A good discussion cannot be had about this with someone who by his own words truly thinks the best way to advance gun rights long term is to give up rights today.


If you choose not to realize the the next liberal cry after they get the gun show loophole closed will be to close the "private sale loophole" I don't think I can convince you of that.

I will however "Stand and Fight." The End. :tiphat:
by steveincowtown
Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:21 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Senators seek back room deal on firearm background checks
Replies: 48
Views: 7278

Re: Senators seek back room deal on firearm background check

baldeagle wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:Could you provide an explanation as to why the geographical location of a background check on the private sale of anything makes it any more or less reasonable?
Sure.

At a gun show a private seller is selling to any party that is interested without any previous interaction other than the buyer's questions regarding the weapon at the time of the sale, just the same as any other gun dealer at the show. The equipment to do a background check, if needed, is readily available and can be used easily.

In a private two party transaction, the seller normally would either know the buyer personally or would use their personal judgment regarding the person's trustworthiness. For example, guns are sold on this forum a lot, and many of the sellers and buyers "know" each other through their interactions on this forum. Many also will only sell to someone who holds a CHL. Forcing them to insert an FFL into the transaction increases the cost of the transaction and inconveniences the parties while having zero impact on preventing sales to felons, because those sellers and buyers will simply ignore the law.

Using this theory, I assume you would support making all gunbroker.com, texasguntrader.com, etc. subject to back ground checks as well? I haven't known any if the folks I have sold guns to through these websites.

Also how well would someone have to "know" someone to be excluded from the background checks?


Lastly, I this compromise, what are we as gun is owners getting in return?

I am a little befuddled that you can say that implementing background checks on private individuals would have zero impact on the felons getting guns, while at the same time inferring that background checks at gun shows somehow would keep felon from getting guns.

I do agree with your point that as gun owners we should use our best judgement when selling firearms, but I strongly disagree that I need help or guidance on this or any other issue from the Federal goverment.
by steveincowtown
Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:13 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Senators seek back room deal on firearm background checks
Replies: 48
Views: 7278

Re: Senators seek back room deal on firearm background check

baldeagle wrote:I will submit this to all four Senators and Senators Cornyn and Cruz as soon as I finish posting this.

I have no problem with requiring background checks for private sellers at gun shows so long as the presentation of a CHL will suffice as proof of having already passed one.

Could you provide an explanation as to why the geographical location of a background check on the private sale of anything makes it any more or less reasonable?

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