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by BB 09
Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:53 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Newbie with a question
Replies: 19
Views: 2556

Re: Newbie with a question

Thank you for your responses. It does appear that this is still a bit iffy as to when it would be legal to board a bus or not. If there is time to research prior to the event it would be much easier than when you are thrust into the situation of getting on a school bus as "shuttle". Never really thought about it until recently. If I was to chapparone an event with the school for my kids, I would know before hand. The shuttle situation just caught me off guard and I needed additional input. Thank you all for your help aind advice. I will at least know how to proceed if I encounter this in the future.

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by BB 09
Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:25 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Newbie with a question
Replies: 19
Views: 2556

Re: Newbie with a question

Thank you all for your advice so far. It appears this situation is murky to others also.

I believe the school bus at the outfitter on the river was privately owned. I do not know this for sure but it was very old and looked as if it was owned by the company. However it still was yellow and black with the words “School Bus” clearly across the top. It would have been easier if we were stepping on a Partridge Family style bus.

Being someone who wants to always follow the law and do the right thing, but at the same time being able to protect and defend myself and my family, how would I know that a big yellow bus is privately owned? How do you determine if it is an old bus that should have been painted but was not?

I apologize but there are very few people who know I carry. That is in my opinion an excellent advantage of concealed carry the concealed part. I don’t want to tip my hand asking “who owns this bus”.

Again this is a situation I have not run into before and may very well never run into again. I would just like to know and the line is blurry at best.
by BB 09
Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:34 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Newbie with a question
Replies: 19
Views: 2556

Re: Newbie with a question

To add a slight wrinkle to this thread I will add some information. From what I found, some School Busses are owned by a 3rd party and “leased” to school districts during the school year. It appears they are also leased to others during their down time. Even of those owned by the school district, some are leased out during the summer to various organizations. I do not know if this is the case here locally or not. Does this muddy the already murky water?
by BB 09
Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:03 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Newbie with a question
Replies: 19
Views: 2556

Newbie with a question

I have been reading this forum daily for months now and have enjoyed learning. I have not joined or posted until today because, well, I don’t believe I have anything to contribute. I have however run into a situation twice recently and I am unable to find an answer anywhere on this forum or anywhere else.
Let me preface this by saying I believe I know the answer but would like other opinions.

PC 46.03 PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits and offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) On the physical premises of a school or educational institution, or any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution; …..

Now for the situation I am having trouble with. On the Fourth of July our town was having fireworks at the lake. Due to all of the heavy rain preceding that day the city decided to ban all parking at the lake. They were running shuttles from the high school to the lake. I have two little ones who wanted to go to the fireworks. When we get to the shuttles they were big yellow school busses. Thankfully there was a very large line and very few busses running so I talked the family into driving to a hillside close by to watch from there. I knew the law but it not being to or from an educational institution confused me a little. The next day I searched for an answer to the question if it would have been legal or not and could find nothing. I assumed this was a fluke I would not encounter again and let it go.

Last weekend we went to New Braunfels to go rafting down the Guadalupe. We were getting ready to go and they came to pick us up to be taken to the drop off point in…you guessed it, another yellow bus. I may have been very old and short but it was still yellow and had the words School Bus on the top. I will leave it to your imagination to decide if I carried on the bus or went back to the safe in my van.

Now I know the intention of a law and the letter of the law are two different things. I understand and agree with not carrying on a school bus. The only person that should be old enough would be the driver. But in both cases it was a mix of adults and children and was not at all associated with a school in any way except the transportation. The law as it is written says absolutely nothing about whether the school bus is or is not going to a school function so….
Opinions and legal advice would be welcome. Thank you for teaching me a lot already

Sorry for such a long post...just wanted to explain completely.

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