“I was never so terrified in my whole life. They never told me in the academy that the targets were going to jump and move all over the place. There wasn’t one 3′ by 2′ target to shoot at like on the police range. One gunman only gave me a 6″ circle of his moving head to shoot at. The other two jumped behind the cashier and only exposed about 9″ of their bodies on each side of her. During those hectic microseconds when I popped up from concealment, my protective crotch piece fell off my bullet-resistant vest. I prayed that none of the gunmen would hit me in what I considered a most vital area.
“When the metal nylon-covered crotch piece fell to the floor with a resounding clunk, all three turned toward the sound and pointed their handguns in my direction. The next thing I knew I heard shots. I felt my Model 10 Smith & Wesson bucking in my hands, and I was asking myself mentally, ‘Who the hell is shooting my gun?’
...Jim fired those shots at 60 to 75 feet — up to 25 yards — from the perpetrators, in a crowded market, shooting two of the perps out from behind a human shield.
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- Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:56 pm
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Cirillo's first story was classic:
- Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:55 pm
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Jim Cirillo is another good example of a highly skilled traditional marksman (President's One Hundred) who won a ton of gunfights and also taught point shooting.
- Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:09 am
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Yes, a rifle is faster and more accurate ... if you have one... and it is functioningSoccerdad1995 wrote:WTR wrote:Paladin wrote:If you need a precision shot like a head shot at 25 yards or a hostage-taker shot then I strongly recommend the traditional sight focus.
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If that is what you need......use a rifle.
If you happen to have one handy, of course.
- Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:06 am
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You make an important point for competition shooting. Traditional sighted shooting is important. I practice it and have out shot a whole lot of people with traditional sighted shooting in competition. I have used traditional sighted shooting successfully in force-on-force.canvasbck wrote:As a competitive shooter, I used to believe that 7 yards and in the speed that you gain was worth the slight sacrifice in accuracy. I can now unequivocally state that is NOT the case. Beyond about 2 yards, the most efficient way to shoot is with a perfect grip AND a focused front sight. This is not intuition or what I feel like is best, this is thousands of rounds with the math being done. For my skill set, it's almost never worth losing focus on the front site. For anyone with a lesser skill set than USPSA B class or IDPA master, its never worth losing focus on the front site.
This thread is a discussion of life and death shooting. USPSA and IDPA targets do not shoot back. Nor do USPSA or IDPA competitions take place in low-light. Traditional sighted shooting is only part of the answer to life and death situations. The situation dictates technique.
Attempting to use traditional sighted shooting in all situations has predictable results:
HARSH REALITYdata from the same report for the NYPD during 1994-2000, when the NYPD was far more semiautomatic heavy, are interesting, and sobering. At 0-2 yards, the hit rate was 69%, but from 3-7 yards, only 19%. With increasing distance the hit rate dramatically declined, with only 2% from 16-25 yards and 1% at 25 yards and greater.
- Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:11 am
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Charles L. Cotton wrote:RDS isn't only for us old guys with old eyes. They make threat-focus intentional, instinctive and accurate.
...and I really wish my eye's weren't getting old
- Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:47 am
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Roger Phillip's "Point Shooting Progressions" has a good explanation of various techniques and what situations those techniques work best.
- Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:20 am
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If you need a precision shot like a head shot at 25 yards or a hostage-taker shot then I strongly recommend the traditional sight focus.
LTC Rex Applegate wrote in 1976:
I strongly recommend reading the entire Chapter 5. If you read and understand Chapter 5 you will know far more than 90% of shooters.
LTC Rex Applegate wrote in 1976:
U.S. Marine Corps 12-80Chapter 5: Combat Use of the Handgun
...In reality, after the target, aimed-shot phase of training has been completed and the shooter becomes familiar with his weapon, he is only about 50% combat efficient, because the conditions under which most combat shooting occurs are entirely different from those presented in the bulls-eye type of training.
...The best-descriptive term for using the handgun in combat without the aid of sights is shooting by “instinctive pointing.” This is a close-quarter method and should not generally be advocated for distances greater than fifty feet. Combat proficiency at ranges of fifty feet and less will be attained by using this technique, Almost all pistol shooting affrays will take place within this distance...
I strongly recommend reading the entire Chapter 5. If you read and understand Chapter 5 you will know far more than 90% of shooters.