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by terryg
Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:37 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: 1st contact while carrying
Replies: 17
Views: 3213

Re: 1st contact while carrying

esxmarkc wrote:I guess I don't agree with may of the sentiments posted so far. I believe both you and the officer acted properly given the situation. Let's face it, he felt the need for you to be disarmed. Who knows why? But it sounds as if he did so in a very courteous and professional manner. And just because you say you are CHL doesn't mean you are a CHL. And given he was alone in this situation in a not-so-nice area he may felt uneasy with you digging around in your pockets for proof of CHL until you were disarmed. It sounds as though once you were disarmed and he did see your CHL he was a bit more at ease.

Let me throw a scenario out there for those agitated at the situation:

Let's take this exact scenario and you are the officer. You ask if he is armed and he responds yes. You ask to see his CHL and he puts his hand on his back pocket, freezes for a second and then proceeds to tell you "Sorry officer but it looks as if I have left my wallet at the house." Now you have an armed person standing 4 feet away with his hand near his gun that might have just had his "bluff" called. What happens next?

As for leaving you in in a hurry in a "disarmed" condition, I'd bet you could slap the mag back in and rack it before he was 50ft down the road and who cares if someone sees you do it - there's an officer 50feet away.

With all the videos and stories of LEOs acting inappropriately I'd post this one up as the appropriate way for an LEO to behave if he truly feels the need to disarm you.

Mark C.
I wouldn't be too upset about the disarming. And I am happy he handled the disarming process so well. If the opportunity allowed, as it seems like it might have, I would have asked why. If it didn't - I wouldn't ask or even follow-up. Not to be upset, but as a teachable moment, perhaps for both of us.

I would have, however, been pretty upset at him leaving me disarmed in a not so great area requiring me to break state law to rearm myself. The OP seems to have quickly, and as discreetly as possible, rearmed himself. So perhaps 'no harm - no foul'. But I still think it was a really bad idea and I would more than likely file a complaint.

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by terryg
Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:42 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: 1st contact while carrying
Replies: 17
Views: 3213

Re: 1st contact while carrying

The_Reason wrote:Austin, and I immediately reloaded my weapon with it concealed below the edge of the trunk, then slid it into my holster.....
Oh yeah - of course it was Austin - I'm an idiot. Too early in the morning - I was only thinking of State Hwy 35 - AFAIK only Angleton and Alvin start with an A along it. Forgot all about the interstate highway running right through Austin. :oops:

So he was gone - right? That dog don't hunt. I would file a complaint for the educational benefit of it. I've read of others being disarmed with the weapon left in the car somewhere. While not much better, at least you are not rearming in plain sight. I think he left you in an extremely vulnerable position.
by terryg
Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:46 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: 1st contact while carrying
Replies: 17
Views: 3213

Re: 1st contact while carrying

The_Reason wrote:After he completed his responsibilities to both parties, he came over and asked me how long I have been carrying, andnhow I liked my ultra carry. He apologized for dis arming me, explained the location of my weapon and that he was planning on picking up his first next week.
After he apologized, I would have taken the moment to politely ask him what his safety concerns were that prompted him to disarm you. Then, before he left, I would have asked:

"Listen, considering the area we are in, would you mind staying here with me until I can get my weapon reloaded and safely back in it's holster? I don't want to stand her on the side of the road in plain view handling my weapon from the back of the trunk and I also don't want to drive off both unarmed and with the weapon and ammunition unsecured in the trunk."

You said APD and mention 35 - was this in Alvin?

EDIT

Ohh, just re-read the immediate call afterwards -so I guess no chance for that. How did you re-arm yourself? If you had to do it from the trunk without the officer being there - I would file a complaint. He left you in an extremely vulnerable position forcing you to fail to conceal and potentially making you a target to both bad guys and to well meaning CHL holders or other LEO's.

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