That can't be right....our ruling class masters tell us that immigration has no effect on the wages of US citizens. They're only doing work Americans refuse to do.gregthehand wrote:One impact I've seen in my own family (my father is a practicing OBGYN/doctor) is that the influx of foreign doctors lowered the wages of many doctors here long before Obamacare due to insurance agencies. Basically a doctor from some foreign country would open some crappy OBGYN office in a strip center, by some used medical equipment, and start seeing patients. The insurance companies would work with them to see how much they charge for exams, procedures, delivering babies, c-sections, etc and they would all have low rates. The same insurance companies go back to guys like my dad and say that he needs to lower his rates if he still wants his practice to receive patients from their insurance company. Some plans he had to just tell to take a hike, many he was able to work with, but still wound up taking a lower rate. The end result was that he had to work twice as hard in 2000 as he did in 1980 for the same amount of money. Not the same amount adjusted for inflation, I mean he had to work twice as hard for $100 now than he did then. When Obamacare passed he finally gave it up and became a hospitalist. Him and some of his partners started a little hospitalist company dealing with hospitals that have a need for OBGYNs. Now he works Sunday through Tuesday and makes the same as he did in private practice.
That's the concerning part. As more and more doctors move away from private practice and in to working for hospitals people's choices will rapidly degrade. I can see in my life time a point where whenever you're sick or just need a check up, just just go to the hospital. Whichever doctor you see will be somewhat luck of the draw based on what day it is. Many US doctors can't and just won't continue to practice with insurance companies continually trying to pay them less and less.
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- Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:10 pm
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- Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:23 am
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You're mixing apples and oranges. The best and brightest still have the ability to be educated in technical fields. It is dumbed down indoctrination for the average and below average students. Some of the brighter students may recognize the indoctrination and ignore or escape it. Most schools have special programs for the very top students.mojo84 wrote:Considering some people's comments and opinion regarding the education system in the United States, one wonders why anyone would want anything to do with anyone educated here. How can we trust any US trained and educated doctor, engineer, architect or manufacturer that's been educated in this dumbed down indoctrination sytem?
Abraham, I believe it is best to consider experience, office staff, hospital privileges at your choice of hospital, minimal malpractice history, no AMA sanctions, good English communication skills and reasonable bedside manner. You can get some info from healthgrades.com and your insurance carrier.
Wishing you the best in your search. I am also looking for a new PCP. Mine has become to busy and has become too difficult to deal with. Sometimes it takes 15 or so calls to get through to them.
In fields like engineering and medicine that are reality tested educational quality remains high. CAL Tech and MIT are probably still the best advanced technical institutions in the world.
- Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:47 pm
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Well, the average engineer that I've encountered that was educated in Mexico has been better educated than the average engineer I've encountered in the US...across the board. In cases of high specialization that may not be true but then almost all the Phd engineers I know are foreigners and most of them were educated in the US. Then again I'm dealing with a small sample size so my experience may not be representative.
Also, I have the impression that admission to medical school may play a role in limiting the supply of doctors in order to keep doctors in the money, so it may be more of a quantity than a quality issue. I also think a lot of what doctors do has more to do with keeping supply limited than it has to do with the requirements of good medical care. IOW, RNs and PA's could do a lot of it.
So personally, I am not at all concerned that a doctor is foreign born or foreign educated. Come to think of it, I've run into to plenty of American born and educated doctors that weren't up to snuff, but not any foreign ones.
Also, I have the impression that admission to medical school may play a role in limiting the supply of doctors in order to keep doctors in the money, so it may be more of a quantity than a quality issue. I also think a lot of what doctors do has more to do with keeping supply limited than it has to do with the requirements of good medical care. IOW, RNs and PA's could do a lot of it.
So personally, I am not at all concerned that a doctor is foreign born or foreign educated. Come to think of it, I've run into to plenty of American born and educated doctors that weren't up to snuff, but not any foreign ones.