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Abraham wrote:Why would one not immediately call the police when threatening, potential criminals announce they're BH's all the while attempting to intimidate?

That's the first thing I'd do.

I would too, but I also know that the chances of police showing up in response in less than 30 minutes is near zero, and it would probably be more like an hour, so ultimately it's likely I'd have to deal with the situation myself.

WTR wrote:Trust me, they would have had to produce proper paper work and IDs before he would have opened his door. As for the dogs, the previous owners of the property raised Collies, there are kennels with chain link walls and concrete floors he could have secured the dogs with. He also would have kept a bubble around his personal space and he is very fond of his 1911 and M2.......they go where he goes (as I said he is a retired Marine). Knowing him, he probably called one of his close (in proximity) friends to come over before he let anyone in his home.

OK, but I wouldn't have let them into MY home under any circumstances --dogs or not. You want to enter my home you'd better be actual LE with a warrant or LE under legitimate exigent circumstances. Of course if it's actual LE I ultimately won't have a choice but I certainly wouldn't give permission for it. No way some BH is getting into my home with my consent.

WTR wrote:What is ironic is that my friend is pro LE. If they had ID themselves and asked politely he would have let them search his home and his out buildings. As I said, he has never heard or seen this fugitive. The BHs acted as they had all the authority in the world for them to have their way. The BHs disappeared when he said he was calling the Sheriff. They had parked a vehicle out of sight, but as they drove off he thinks it had AZ plates.

Why would he allow a bunch of armed strangers who are not LEOs to enter his home under any circumstances, whatever their ID or how polite they are? Criminals can be polite too. If he had reason to believe there was a fugitive on his property then the smart thing to do is call the police. What if these guys searched his property and found the fugitive and a shootout ensued? Why would he risk non LEO strangers claiming to be BHs having a shootout on his property with rounds flying who knows where?

Being pro LE doesn't mean letting just anyone who claims to be after a fugitive have free reign on your property and in your home. I wouldn't even let actual LE into my home unless they had a warrant or there really was a fugitive inside. I just read a case the other day where actual police showed up at someone's home looking for a fugitive and the owners let them in after warning them they had a dog and the police told them they knew about the dog and it wouldn't be a problem. The result: dog shot to death on their child's bed.

If you love your dogs then it's crazy to let any cop around them on your property unless you personally know you can trust that particular officer not to shoot your dog. There is no way I'd voluntarily allow police on my property unless my dogs were safe and secured in such as way that there could be no possibility of them being in any way construed as a threat --and honestly, I don't see how that could be accomplished if your home is being searched.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_hunter

In the United States of America, bounty hunters have varying levels of authority in their duties with regard to their targets depending on which states they operate in. As opined in Taylor v. Taintor, and barring restrictions applicable state by state, a bounty hunter can enter the fugitive's private property without a warrant in order to execute a re-arrest. They cannot, however, enter the property of anyone other than the fugitive without a warrant or the owner's permission.

Texas

A Texas bounty hunter is required to be a peace officer, Level III (armed) security officer, or a private investigator.[10]

http://people.howstuffworks.com/bounty-hunting1.htm

All the bounty hunter needs to make an arrest is a copy of the "bail piece" (the paperwork indicating that the person is a fugitive) and, in some states, a certified copy of the bond. He or she doesn't need a warrant, can enter private property unannounced and doesn't have to read a fugitive his or her Miranda rights before making the arrest. But there are rules and regulations to the job. The bail bond contract gives bounty hunters the right to enter the home of a fugitive, but only after establishing without a doubt that the person lives there. They cannot enter the homes of friends or family members to look for the fugitive.