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SA_Steve wrote:news folks are still referring to the clock he "built"

you'd think by now they would all know the truth

"News" folks? I wasn't aware news folks still existed in the US. It's been years since I've seen any. Those propagandists and advertisers claiming to provide "news" don't care about the truth of anything unless it serves their agenda.

ShootDontTalk wrote:Oh....Laudy, Laudy Mae, it's the Big One!

I would never believe it. Rational thought from Bill Maher. Reason flies. Madness reigns! "It looked like a......BOMB STUPID."

Even more tragic. Some forum members here seem to be a little left of ol' Bill.

Don't give him too much credit. It's less a matter of rational thought than the fact that Bill Maher hates all religion and especially hates religious people. The difference between him and the rest of the left is that he doesn't limit his hatred to Christians.

philip964 wrote:Then today I heard on the radio that she was at the school and asked the police to rehandcuff her brother so she could take a picture. They apparently complied. This is how that photo entered social media. I always wondered how these photos ended up on the internet. Also apparently her father was also there at school when the photo was taken. They have apparently received $10,000 from their gofundme type account.

All beginning to seem suspicious.

I have to admit skepticism about that. If true then the cops were either extremely stupid or in on whatever scheme was afoot.

mojo84 wrote:They've given Trump free exposure that others would have to pay millions to get.

Where is this about the kid's sister and father. I've suspected more to the story but haven't seen that yet.

That may be true, but for the most part, it was intended to be negative exposure to reduce his popularity and has backfired.

goose wrote:

Taypo wrote: your sister had been suspended from school from threatening to blow it up

Fox News hasn't mentioned this. They are slowly becoming mainstream media.

They're already there.....they joined up on RNC orders to take down Trump. I'm still waiting for their McConnell and Boehner take downs.

oohrah wrote:This kid is just like me when I was 14, got my ham radio license and had a workshop in the garage with all my electronics stuff. These conspiracy theories are a crock.

Except he didn't do any work except taking an old clock apart. He didn't make, create, or build anything. What he did was actually more "destructive" than "constructive." So either he did what he did to falsely get credit for something he didn't do or there was some other motive. What is your guess as to his motive?

ScottDLS wrote:I still think you're all giving Ahmed too much credit. Don't believe he's some super secret deep infiltration agent sent by IS. I think he might have been put up to it to try to give an excuse to cry about prejudice in Irving. If someone's really trying to make a bomb, they don't borrow the specs from Wiley Coyote and then point the device out to any and all that will look.

I now think that is probably the case....this may be a Texans/whites/southerners are racist and xenophobic anti-white pro-immigration exercise.

Another perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1003&v=3WV2EdDGq5I

jimlongley wrote:

VMI77 wrote: . . .
As to the red...I already gave my answer in a previous post: putting the disassembled clock in something other than the original enclosure makes it look "homemade." His motive was probably to claim he created something when he actually did not. The case is 8"x5.5"x2"....pretty small...and he didn't add anything that looks like explosive material which would be easy to do. Another reason for the case is to carry the disassembled parts.....how else could he transport his "invention" except in some kind of box? . . .

But he didn't just transport his magnificent invention in the case, he assembled it in it. And from the pictures the case could hold enough explosive, in the form of a sheet concealed under the foam, to yield about 700 volumes of gas at 8000+ meters per second. As seen over Lockerby that would be quite enough to take down a plane, and it could do a pretty nasty job on a classroom.

It looked like just loose components to me in the photo but later in the thread someone says that the timer was outside the case with the ribbon cable leading inside. If that's the case it changes my interpretation as I alluded to in a previous post when I said if someone wanted to make it look like a bomb they'd put the clock/timer on the outside.

Taypo wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

Taypo wrote:

EEllis wrote:

VMI77 wrote:
You and others keep saying it looks like a bomb or a hoax bomb...hooey. As the photo above shows it looks like, and is, a disassembled alarm clock. I get that scientific and technical knowledge in this country is at pretty pathetic levels, but one would pretty much have to be a technophobe or have a pretty lurid imagination to turn something so obviously prosaic into an explosive device. The idea of a hoax bomb is to make people think it's a bomb. That could have easily been accomplished by adding something that could be mistaken for an explosive charge. That "hoax bomb" wouldn't have hoaxed my grandma.

I guess we need a new law making it illegal to disassemble an alarm clock, or defining disassembled alarm clocks as "hoax bombs," otherwise, charging this kid with a crime like making a hoax bomb, and getting it to stick, may be a little difficult.

At this point, anyone who thinks it looks like a bomb is obviously an idiot because there's no big cannonball with a burning fuse in there to make it go boom? We're supposed to be impressed that little Ahmed is smart enough to buy a clock, dismantle a clock and put it back together again inside a suitcase, for no apparent reason, nefarious or otherwise?

The reason is plenty apparent, as I've previously stated....it just doesn't fit your desire to see it as something more nefarious than a not too smart kid seeking credit for something he didn't do. Occam's razor.

We're going with "dumb kid is trying to look smart by reassembling a clock in a briefcase" rather than "Son of a Sudanese political activist with ties to CAIR brings a bomb with everything but the boom to school."

Got it.

Hey, don't let me stop you, why don't you go ahead and call it a nuclear trigger with everything but the plutonium? A mini suitcase nuke. But if you prefer just a conventional bomb without the boom, why not at least add some imaginary anthrax or Ebola virus? If we're adding imaginary components it seems rather pedestrian to limit our imaginations.

Your interpretation seems to be that the kid and his parents are evil geniuses that totally played the school, and the police, seeking recognition of some kind, and got national media attention and and invite from the Prez. So, well played I guess. It's possible, but I'll stick with Occam's razor.

Taypo wrote:

EEllis wrote:

VMI77 wrote:
You and others keep saying it looks like a bomb or a hoax bomb...hooey. As the photo above shows it looks like, and is, a disassembled alarm clock. I get that scientific and technical knowledge in this country is at pretty pathetic levels, but one would pretty much have to be a technophobe or have a pretty lurid imagination to turn something so obviously prosaic into an explosive device. The idea of a hoax bomb is to make people think it's a bomb. That could have easily been accomplished by adding something that could be mistaken for an explosive charge. That "hoax bomb" wouldn't have hoaxed my grandma.

I guess we need a new law making it illegal to disassemble an alarm clock, or defining disassembled alarm clocks as "hoax bombs," otherwise, charging this kid with a crime like making a hoax bomb, and getting it to stick, may be a little difficult.

At this point, anyone who thinks it looks like a bomb is obviously an idiot because there's no big cannonball with a burning fuse in there to make it go boom? We're supposed to be impressed that little Ahmed is smart enough to buy a clock, dismantle a clock and put it back together again inside a suitcase, for no apparent reason, nefarious or otherwise?

The reason is plenty apparent, as I've previously stated....it just doesn't fit your desire to see it as something more nefarious than a not too smart kid seeking credit for something he didn't do. Occam's razor.

EEllis wrote:

VMI77 wrote:
You and others keep saying it looks like a bomb or a hoax bomb...hooey. As the photo above shows it looks like, and is, a disassembled alarm clock. I get that scientific and technical knowledge in this country is at pretty pathetic levels, but one would pretty much have to be a technophobe or have a pretty lurid imagination to turn something so obviously prosaic into an explosive device. The idea of a hoax bomb is to make people think it's a bomb. That could have easily been accomplished by adding something that could be mistaken for an explosive charge. That "hoax bomb" wouldn't have hoaxed my grandma.

I guess we need a new law making it illegal to disassemble an alarm clock, or defining disassembled alarm clocks as "hoax bombs," otherwise, charging this kid with a crime like making a hoax bomb, and getting it to stick, may be a little difficult.

What I keep saying is that a lot of people have said that they think it appears like it was meant to look like a bomb. Guess what gets used to make bombs. Things like clocks. It has an alarm circuit so it can be made into a timer for a bomb. That some disagree means little but why rearrange this clock into said case? Why would that be something to show off? Why is it such a bizarre idea that the 14yo might have thought making something resembling a bomb was cool? Because he didn't do a good enough job? Well if he thinks repositioning clock parts is noteworthy maybe the not very bomb like hoax bomb was the best he could do?

As to the red...I already gave my answer in a previous post: putting the disassembled clock in something other than the original enclosure makes it look "homemade." His motive was probably to claim he created something when he actually did not. The case is 8"x5.5"x2"....pretty small...and he didn't add anything that looks like explosive material which would be easy to do. Another reason for the case is to carry the disassembled parts.....how else could he transport his "invention" except in some kind of box?

As to the green....it's not a bizarre idea....why it seems unlikely is that he did nothing to actually make it look like a bomb. He disassembled a clock and put it in a box.If he really wanted to make it look like a bomb, without even faking any explosive, all he had to do was attach the display to the outside of the box and run the ribbon cable from the display into the box. He didn't even need the circuit board, though granted if the clock was displaying numbers it would be a more convincing fake...and the transformer would be completely irrelevant. The transformer lends credence to the claim he intended it to be just a clock as it subtracts from the idea of a bomb rather than adding to it. All the plug-in alarm clocks I've ever purchased have 9V battery backups.

As to the blue....having seen his "creation" I don't assume the kid was particularly smart. And people who try to take credit for inventing something they didn't invent, are rarely smart, are usually trying to compensate for feeling inferior in some way, and lack the integrity to compensate by actually making an effort to improve themselves.

If my interpretation is correct, then the kid not only didn't learn a lesson from this, his attempt for recognition as an "inventor" was rewarded and it will encourage him to continue claiming credit for things he didn't do. If I'm wrong and he intended for it to be taken as a bomb then he's really dumb, on multiple levels beyond just his incompetence in faking a bomb, but the result is the same....he got the attention he wanted and it will encourage him try other stunts or steal credit for other exploits.

Either way the kid was seeking attention and the school and police helped make sure he got a ton of it. Since, obviously, no one really thought it was a bomb, a better approach would have been to take the device from him so he couldn't carry it around school, return it to him when school was over, and tell him and his parents that the school would take disciplinary action if he brought it back.

EEllis wrote:

JALLEN wrote:

EEllis wrote:

Well the reports indicated that the device was taken by a teacher and was found not to be a bomb by school resource officers. The police were called not on a bomb but a hoax device. It certainly seems to give what many people believe to be the impression of a possible bomb. Then you add in the situation, plugging in the device drawing attention to it in an english class. The refusal to give any explanation. You certainly have the framework for charges. I tend not to second guess people on site unless I have some reason and I haven't seen that here. :shrug: Seems like the kid brought the grief on himself.

I'm not sure that is factual. It certainly doesn't square with initial versions, where the teacher and the officer said that the student repeatedly claimed it was a clock, and only that, that several hours elapsed between the first teacher seeing it and the cops getting a call. Of course, once the press conference with CAIR and lawyers was held, and Obama tweeted an invite, the networks started running with it and asking questions, the stakes got higher and stories refined.

If there was a rational fear of a possible bomb, and no evacuation ordered, that seems like a problem.

I didn't think you have to second guess. The first guess is appalling enough.

You might be right but the idea that the cops were called because ofva hoax bomb sure fits the actions better than the narrative pushed by the MSM. Inbound also note that it's the local source which I linked that describes the situation as thus. To be honest the way you describe it above matches that story pretty well. Teacher takes a fake bomb from kid. Teacher gives to admit. Administration looks then calls school resource officers. Everyone is sure it's not a bomb but sure resembles such. Discussion occurs where the idea of it being a hoax bomb is brought forth and if cops should be called. It's decided that it's disconcerting enough that police should be informed. Cops come and kid is pulled out of class. Kid is questioned but just says that device is a clock but isn't forthcoming for why he rearranged clock in case. Why he brought it to school. Why he was playing with it in English class. Why it looks like a bomb. Just that it's a clock. So they booked him. Personally I'm not found of the whole arrest and let the da decide thing but that is entirely consistent with your timeliness.

You and others keep saying it looks like a bomb or a hoax bomb...hooey. As the photo above shows it looks like, and is, a disassembled alarm clock. I get that scientific and technical knowledge in this country is at pretty pathetic levels, but one would pretty much have to be a technophobe or have a pretty lurid imagination to turn something so obviously prosaic into an explosive device. The idea of a hoax bomb is to make people think it's a bomb. That could have easily been accomplished by adding something that could be mistaken for an explosive charge. That "hoax bomb" wouldn't have hoaxed my grandma.

I guess we need a new law making it illegal to disassemble an alarm clock, or defining disassembled alarm clocks as "hoax bombs," otherwise, charging this kid with a crime like making a hoax bomb, and getting it to stick, may be a little difficult.

lacie008 wrote:

VMI77 wrote:http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/201 ... ourselves/

After seeing this photo and reading the analysis in the article I'm convinced the kid didn't invent or build anything. He took an old Micronta digital clock apart and put it in a case to hide that fact....to make it look handmade. What it looks like to me is that he took the clock apart to make it look like he constructed something and then claimed to have made or invented a clock. From everything I've seen published on this my guess is that his reaction to being questioned was the product of embarrassment and guilty knowledge....he knew he hadn't actually made or invented what he was taking credit for.

I almost posted here about this yesterday, but the only source I had was several people on different forums say that they were engineers and it was nothing more than a regular clock taken apart. That's pretty hilarious to me considering the invite from Obama within hours.

The advantage of being cultural Marxists like Obama and those in the MSM is that you never have to concern yourself with reality or truth, just advancing the narrative.

http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/201 ... ourselves/

After seeing this photo and reading the analysis in the article I'm convinced the kid didn't invent or build anything. He took an old Micronta digital alarm clock (with battery backup --hence the a/c cord and 9V battery connection) apart and put it in a case to hide that fact....to make it look handmade. What it looks like to me is that he took the clock apart to make it look like he constructed something and then claimed to have made or invented a clock. From everything I've seen published on this my guess is that his reaction to being questioned was the product of embarrassment and guilty knowledge....he knew he hadn't actually made or invented what he was taking credit for.