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by VMI77
Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:26 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer body-cam footage Palestine
Replies: 60
Views: 16433

Re: Officer body-cam footage Palestine

charliej47 wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:
VMI77 wrote:The problem I see with that question is that to have any chance of answering it you'd have to be already staring down the muzzle before you fired, which would very probably be too late.
That's the point. Anyone that points a be gun or any realistic looking firearm at police already has made the choice that they want to be killed.
Well, I'd say anyone over a certain age....I'm not sure that's the case with say, a six year old. Or a three year old. At that age they're probably not making a choice.
:mad5 I can remember when a 5 or 6 yr old kid came at us with a grenade and ended up killing the LT, himself and his sister.
Wow. So to you life in America is the same as the Vietnam war? We're in a war zone where 6 year olds are blowing up people with grenades and gunning down cops and citizens? Also, I was addressing the issue of whether a very young child pointing a gun at someone WANTS to be killed, which your example doesn't support, since many if not most children that age, especially American children who haven't grown up in a war zone, are incapable of fully understanding the consequences of such an action.
by VMI77
Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:50 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer body-cam footage Palestine
Replies: 60
Views: 16433

Re: Officer body-cam footage Palestine

nightmare69 wrote:
VMI77 wrote:The problem I see with that question is that to have any chance of answering it you'd have to be already staring down the muzzle before you fired, which would very probably be too late.
That's the point. Anyone that points a be gun or any realistic looking firearm at police already has made the choice that they want to be killed.
Well, I'd say anyone over a certain age....I'm not sure that's the case with say, a six year old. Or a three year old. At that age they're probably not making a choice.
by VMI77
Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:27 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer body-cam footage Palestine
Replies: 60
Views: 16433

Re: Officer body-cam footage Palestine

The problem I see with that question is that to have any chance of answering it you'd have to be already staring down the muzzle before you fired, which would very probably be too late.
by VMI77
Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:28 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer body-cam footage Palestine
Replies: 60
Views: 16433

Re: Officer body-cam footage Palestine

Jim Beaux wrote:Im not a LEO and not qualified to critique the reason Green walked in front of the BG, but I recognize the potential of the BG walking in front, grabbing a knife, taking a hostage, or dumping a table in the walk way and running.
Those are also possibilities and maybe that was the best tactic. However, it seems like if that's the reasoning the suspect should have been searched in the restroom and possibly cuffed. I'm just curious about how they're trained to escort a suspect in that situation. Also, while Sgt. Green pushed the knife aside it was still within reach and could have been grabbed and used on the following officer with the lead officer losing time reacting and turning around. I'm not sure which procedure conveys the best tactical advantage. :headscratch It would seem that the safest procedure would be searching and cuffing the suspect before leading him out of the restaurant but I think there are other considerations in those circumstances too if the suspect isn't known or felt to be dangerous.
by VMI77
Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:44 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer body-cam footage Palestine
Replies: 60
Views: 16433

Re: Officer body-cam footage Palestine

I wonder about escorting the guy out of the restaurant while one officer is in front of the guy with his back turned? Seems to me they both should have been behind the guy....even if they'd searched him, but especially since they hadn't. What if he'd pulled the gun inside the restaurant? Sgt. Green does push a knife out of the way as he passes a table but if the guy had rushed him from behind, with or without a weapon, he'd have been in his partner's line of fire. Shouldn't they have searched him in the restroom before escorting him out of the restaurant? Sgt. Green tells the guy he's a suspect in a theft case...isn't that enough to justify a pat down?

The suspect is clearly "off" from the very start with a smirk on his face almost the entire time. From the look on his face as he draws the gun he is determined so he is either delusional about the expected result or has decided to to die. His expression, his demeanor, his words, his attitude, and his behavior all seem to convey a sense of inevitability, like he decided he was going to do what he did when he complied with the order to head outside. He wanted to die this way.

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