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03Lightningrocks wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:How come no one is asking the important question: why did six people rob a McDonalds? Whats their individual take? $3.75? Its not like they're knocking over Fort Knox or something. Seriously?

McDonalds is typically full of women, kids and families with kids. Not likely they will receive much resistance in such circumstances. What kind of inconsiderate moron would actually start a fire fight over a couple dollars with so many innocent women and children standing around? I always chuckle at the tough guy talk we often read on these forums and hope in real life situations, nobody is truly that ignorant.

In this instance, the argument that if someone had just capped the first guy seems misplaced. Your average McDonalds is not very big. It would be like a squad level gun battle in one big room.

Yeah, it would be fairly ridiculous to think you could properly engage the threat. The tactical advantage would weigh strongly in favor of the bad guys. One, they couldn't care less how many kids they cap. Two, you have no idea of how many there actually are and where they are.

John Wayne type bravado aside, lets get real here for a moment. Like I said, it is real easy to talk like a ninja style warrior on an internet forum. Notice we don't have any of the forum police officers telling us to die on our feet rather than give up our wallets.

Carzan wrote:I keep thinking about this situation and trying to place myself in similar circumstances in my mind. I keep thinking my Makarov with a single stack would pose a problem in a scenario such as this one. And all the guys who are carrying 1911's would have the same issue. There is the chance that if shooting did break out, one would need more than the 8 or 9 shots these single stack designs provide. I realize many carry an extra mag but if all those guys had a weapon and a CHL fired and actually hit two of them, and two of them ran out the door then there is still two BGs with guns and chances are the CHL has emptied that first magazine on the first two guys and maybe an attempted shot or two at a third. So there you sit with an empty gun trying to change magazines as quickly as possible under an intense pressure the likes of which you have never been exposed to, and there are still two BGs with guns who, 1) know exactly who is shooting at them and 2) are nervous and possibly now angry and possibly amped up on something. The whole thing sounds like a lose lose situation once shooting starts. I don't think I would start the firing but I do believe I would try very hard to get my weapon in a ready but hidden position so I could at least get off some rounds if the BG's decided to start getting rid of witnesses!

Maybe I should reconsider carrying my Glock 23!

I really like an Egg McMuffin but Ill stick to the drive through from now on!

jmra wrote:Of course you know I wasn't being serious.

jmra wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:On balance, there was the church shooting in France where a congregation member with a small caliber pistol took on a group of BGs with a lot heavier weapons. Sometimes, it is about how much courage you have and not about how much you are outnumbered. In a crowded fast food place, however, I cannot imagine it ending well if shooting starts.

I thought that was in Zimbabwe or South Africa....and he had a revolver because one revolver was the only handgun allowed by law?

France would be more believable. They've been dropping heavy weapons at the first sign of trouble for over 60 years.

“Grenades were exploding in flashes of light. Pews shattered under the blasts, sending splinters flying through the air,” he recalled. “An automatic assault rifle was being fired and was fast ripping the pews – and whoever, whatever was in its trajectory – to pieces. We were being attacked!

“Instinctively, I knelt down behind the bench in front of me and pulled out my .38 special snub-nosed revolver, which I always carried with me,” he writes in “Shooting Back.” “I would have felt undressed without it. Many people could not understand why I would carry a firearm into a church service, but I argued that this was a particularly dangerous time in South Africa.”

03Lightningrocks wrote:And most important of all, who amongst us has the right to risk others lives because we are scared of danger to ourselves. Second... And get ready because I am about to say it the way it is... Only a darned fool would open fire on a person who can return fire with their loved ones sitting or standing right beside them. It is one thing to have a personal death wish. It is something else to put it on others.

Winners in battle know that living to fight another day far exceeds the honor of dying on the spot. What this means for a situation like this is, wait to see if opening fire is the only way. Why... Because you ARE going to be at an extreme disadvantage. Why not wait it out a few minutes to see if dying that day is necessary?

chasfm11 wrote:On balance, there was the church shooting in France where a congregation member with a small caliber pistol took on a group of BGs with a lot heavier weapons. Sometimes, it is about how much courage you have and not about how much you are outnumbered. In a crowded fast food place, however, I cannot imagine it ending well if shooting starts.

Jumping Frog wrote:At age 18, he is all about liking to argue any position with Dad and consistently argues the liberal side of any issue.