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EconDoc wrote:
canvasbck wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote: THIS!

The "noise" that the "religious right" (which is not some monolithic organization....it is simply those people who have conservative social values for religious reasons) makes about things like abortion have nothing to do with thowing women in jail for abortion, or any such thing—and the insistence on the part of those who are opposed is simply a red herring. The "noise" that the "religious right" makes about abortion is the ENTIRELY REASONABLE AND CONSERVITIVE argument about not requiring taxpayers to pay for the sexual choices of other people. Here are some FACTS: about 95% or more of abortions are performed as contraception....not because of rape/insest/risk to mother's health. There is no reason that abortion......or birth control pills or condoms or RU482.......should be covered by the taxpayers. You want to talk about you can't legislate morality? Fine. KEEP OTHER PEOPLE'S MORAL CHOICES OUT OF MY WALLET!!! And as mamabearCali so succinctly pointed out, keep your sexual issues (including "education" about it) out of my kid's classrooms. I submit to you that these are conservative, not to mention (small "l") libertarian core value.

Now, is all of this informed by my faith? Certainly it is, but that is because my faith leads to conservative values—values which are also independently supportable by secular conservative thought. So in that light, can you please demonstrate to me how the "religious right" is trying to ram their religion down your throat? If you don't want it, don't listen to it. Asking people to stop talking about their core values when it comes to political discussions is to ask them to forgo their 1st amendment right to freedom of political speech, thought, and expression. How is that conservative??
Even a "small l" libertarian such as myself agrees with you 100% on this point. I don't want the government to ban someone's bad behavior, but I don't want to finance it either. I want people to be free to make bad decisions and then be free to deal with the outcome of those decisions.

For what it's worth, I am also pro life. Abortion is not a victimless crime (obv).
That position, taken to extremes, would eliminate laws against murder, theft, fraud, etc. I assume that you mean, by bad behavior, that you don't want to see "victimless" crimes outlawed, but you don't object to laws against crimes where another is injured, either physically or financially through assault, theft, fraud, extortion and the like. To that degree, I agree with you. However, the problem comes in defining "victimless". If some bozo goes to a prostitute and brings an HIV infection home to his wife, are his actions still victimless? Ah, therein lies the rub (to quote Shakespeare). Think it over.

I don't see any rub at all. If he goes out riding a motorcycle and gets killed, his family loses his income, his wife is also affected --so then maybe the government should make it illegal for married men to ride motorcycles? go skydiving, skiing, boating, white water rafting, swimming, climbing ladders. I don't see where you're going to draw the line....and while you may draw it at some reasonable point, once you've granted the government that kind of power, there is going to be someone drawing lines that aren't so reasonable. If a guy goes to a prostitute and infects his wife with HIV, that's a problem between him and his wife. She can bring charges against him if she desires, she can divorce him, and/or sue him. Anyway, there are already laws against prostitution and it doesn't stop men from going to prostitutes, any more than making guns illegal will stop criminals from using guns.

VMI77

The Annoyed Man wrote:Personally, I think we are witnessing the end of the American "experiment" in our lifetimes, and the 2nd Amendment may become the bulwark it was originally intended to be in the restoration of liberty.

Or maybe I'm just one of those conservative cranks clinging bitterly to my guns and my religion. Frankly, I don't care what anybody thinks about my politics. I'm done with "cooperation" and "bipartisanship," the two great evils which have led us to where we now find ourselves. I am in favor of whatever it takes to change things and push the reset button.

I agree, and never believed in bipartisanship from the get go.

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Purplehood wrote:As I understand it, the document is a War-preparedness plan similar to that of previous Presidents. In fact, every President has probably had a similar document. I am not sure why we think it is some sort of power-grab.
I admit to not liking Obama in the slightest, but I do find it amusing that when he does something that past President's have done, it always seems to come out as some nefarious and evil plan.

The issue isn't the war plan, to me that's irrelevant, but his statement that he will have have more flexibility --fewer constraints on his actions-- once he's re-elected. Look at his actions now....when he feels he doesn't have flexibility....then imagine what flexibility might look like.

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74novaman wrote:
Rex B wrote:The question in the back of my mind is "What do we do if he does get re-elected?".

I mean, if that were to happen, this country would be forever ruined, perhaps beyond repair.
Heck, even if a Republican gets in, if we don't repeal the massive govt overreach that is Obamacare and start cutting back on the domestic spying programs and other civil liberty encroachments, we may be done for anyway.

If "entitlements" and other transfer payments aren't reduced, if government spending doesn't get under control almost immediately (which seems likely), and debt continues to increase at the current rate, economic collapse is inevitable, no matter what else happens.

VMI77

President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... exibility/

We can be sure he intends to apply that flexibility to matters beyond negotiations with the Russians.

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