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Dadtodabone wrote:

baldeagle wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:It also applies to School Busses
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/stand ... fights-too" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And my question would be, what is wrong with a student who is attacked on a bus defending themselves? Why wasn't the girl charged with battery? She attacked him. All he did was defend himself.

It's the mealy-mouthed gang, "No one wins a fight" "Everyone involved is at fault" "Can't we all just get along" "Kumbaya".
I had a nephew attacked by 3 thugs at a HS football game. He suffered a broken nose and 3 cracked ribs. He got up from being knocked down, broke away from his attackers, picked up a galvanized steel trash receptacle(didn't know they still made these)and proceeded to bash the stuffing out of them with it. The fact that he actually drove them back into a corner where their chance to escape was negated, led to his being arrested for aggravated assault.
The thugs defense was that they didn't want to hurt him, they just wanted to steal his iPad and he went crazy. The thugs were suspended for 1 week, my nephew was expelled. Ultimately he wasn't prosecuted, and now attends a Catholic HS, where should have been all the time.

74novaman wrote:

VMI77 wrote:
That's most of what this is about....using the incident to undermine self-defense law and impose more gun control.

I think the usual suspects such as bloomberg are absolutely trying to turn it into more gun control.

But with the current administrations weigh in on the topic, I think its far more about "our poll numbers are looking bad, we need to find something to galvanize the base" for national level democrats.

They tried the "war on women" and trying to shut down Limbaugh...didn't work. This is just the next noodle thrown at the wall to see what sticks.

philip964 wrote:Part of today's editorial in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/ed ... 54188404/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"They jumped too quickly to the conclusion that they were prohibited from arresting Zimmerman because of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law, which allows the use of deadly force when people reasonably believe they're facing bodily harm. That ill-advised statute, adopted by about two dozen other states as well, is likely to be on trial along with Zimmerman, who told police he acted in self defense."

The law will be on trial as well as Zimmerman. I guess if Zimmerman wins, the law loses.

GeekDad wrote:So Imo, I believe this issue is not a matter of stand your ground. The situation from what was reported seems to show that it was handled wrong all the way around. But what I believe the media is doing is trying to create a whirlwind agenda to disarm America. It's been a big objective of this massive government has been built up by the right and left to disarm America. The right to your life inherently gives you the right to protect your own life. So I ask you to realize that the information from the media is an agenda of the corporations that own our government. Best thing to do is to redirect the conversation and educate the people who are against Stand your ground. Truth be told no one knows exactly what happened, and we should take that into consideration as well.
Fyi.
I am a Ron Paul supporter cause he fights for my liberty, and has not been bought and paid for.

In an NBC segment featuring George Zimmerman's 911 call on the night of the Trayvon Martin shooting, Zimmerman is heard saying: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

The full version, though, unfolds like this:

Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”
911 operator: “Okay. And this guy, is he white black or Hispanic?”
Zimmerman: “He looks black.”

lbuehler325 wrote:Character assessments of either party are also not very helpful in this situation. Was Martin a "thug"? It shouldn't matter!

NORTH MIAMI BEACH, Fla. -

North Miami Beach police said surveillance video shows dozens of high school students demonstrating in the Trayvon Martin case Friday ransacking a Walgreens store.

The incident occurred during a walkout from North Miami Beach Senior High School in support of Martin, 17, who was fatally shot in Sanford.

A Millersville University student is charged with severely beating his ex-girlfriend and kidnapping her from a campus dormitory this weekend.

Akeem M. Johnson, 24, punched the victim at least 10 times Saturday morning before forcing her from her room at Burrowes Hall and into his car, according to a police affidavit.

On Friday night, he stood prominently at an on-campus rally regarding the death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, holding a sign saying, "I am Trayvon Martin."

Oh, and finally you remember the New Black Panther guy who offered a $10,000 "reward" for the unlawful kidnapping of Zimmerman on national television? He was busted for allegedlybeing a felon in possession of a firearm in Georgia yesterday.

Incidentally, his bond was set at.... wait for it..... $10,000.

Heartland Patriot wrote:Did someone actually imply that every forum member had smoke marijuana at some point? Because I, for one, have NOT...I've smoked way too many tobacco cigarettes (before I quit a few months ago) and I've drank my fair share of cold beers and other alcoholic concoctions during my time with the USAF...but I have, once again, NEVER smoked marijuana nor have I ever taken any other illegal drugs, not even once, not even "just to try it". And I have no desire to start.

Heartland Patriot wrote:

matriculated wrote:

Keith B wrote:

matriculated wrote: Why don't you wait for the GJ to make a determination before jumping the gun like that and creating a scenario all on your own that differs with many other skeptical, intelligent people's versions of events...? Huh? What are you, impatient?

Ok, #1: No, I'm not in favor of an innocent person going to prison under any circumstances, but clearly I don't think that Zimmerman's innocent. Don't stuff thoughts in my mind and words in my mouth.

OK, talk about a conflict of your views in the same post. I think we have the possum calling the hog long faced.

Bottom line, do not try to tell another member how they should be patient and not form opionions when you clearly have your mind made up he is guilty.

The first highlighted section was meant with tongue firmly placed in cheek. In the post prior to that I was explaining why I find calls for "patience" redundant.

Zooming out for a moment to take a look at the forest, there seems to be general concensus that Zimmerman acted stupidly. Even many of his defenders say that he made a foolish decision getting out of the car, following Martin, etc. My understanding is that if you do something stupid and someone ends up dead as the final result, that's called manslaughter.

About Zimmerman: unfortunately for him, I think any semblance of a normal life going forward is probably impossible. Probably the best thing that could happen to him right now is to get indicted and convicted, spend a few years in the big house, get out early for good behavior, and hope that by then nobody will remember this incident. That way he might have a chance at a normal life. He's still young, only 28. If, however, he gets acquitted, adios normal life forever. People will know who he is, he will get recognized, and there are always people out there willing to do violence if they feel the justice system didn't do its job. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's reality. He'll always have to look over his shoulder for as long as he's alive. He would become the OJ of central FL (and I'm not talking about the delicious FL orange juice).

As someone who lived in South Texas as a teen, I assure you that Mr. Zimmerman could move there, or anywhere else in the Southwest or Mountain States and nobody would give him a second glance. Unless someone who has it in for him went out of their way to cause him problems.

The individual at the center of the controversial Trayvon Martin shooting is a registered Democrat.

George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.

It is unclear whether he voted for President Barack Obama in 2008.

Several of his friends have posted pictures of rolled blunts to twitter in memorial to Trayvon.

There is also fairly direct evidence that Trayvon may have been a small-time drug-dealer.

On Facebook on February 5th, his friend posts on his wall asking to talk business. Trayvon says he doesn’t have a phone available and his friend says, “Damn were u at a nigga needa plant.”

That charming face is the mugshot of rapper Corey Miller, aka C-Murder, who is doing life without parole for beating up and shooting to death 16-year-old Steve Thomas in 2002 at a night club in Harvey, Louisiana. Quite the hero for Trayvon to worship!

jmra wrote:Time for a reality check and a look at the facts.
1. Zimmerman saw what he thought was a suspicious person in the neighborhood.
2. Zimmerman got out of his vehicle in order to keep with insight of the suspicious individual.