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by VMI77
Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:20 pm
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baldeagle wrote:
philip964 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/1955-black-life-m ... 53062.html

Something to probably annoy you.

I don't know about 1955, but seems these other "victims" were not innocent babies. If this young man was truly innocent, then this editorial harms his memory. I somehow suspect history will be rewritten in school text books in 50 years to make the current thugs look like angels.
It "seems like"? Martin committed aggravated battery and paid with his life. Michael Brown committed aggravated battery on a police officer and then refused to obey lawful orders and paid for it with his life.

Jordan Davis was murdered by a man who didn't like his loud music. While completely wrong and very tragic, it does not compare to what happened to Emmett Till.

Emmett Till, a Chicago teenager, traveled to a small town in Mississippi with his mother to visit family. While there, Emmett, in the company of other young black men, went to the local store. When he spotted the owner's wife, he whistled at her. For that he was pistol whipped, tortured, beaten, shot and thrown in the river. His body had extensive cranial damage, a broken left femur, and two broken wrists. A .45 was buried in his skull.

Both Davis and Till were innocent of any crime but were murdered because they were black. That they have in common. But Till's death was ten times more heinous than Davis'.
The problem with the article is that the first paragraph is a bunch of lies, starting with the assertion that Martin was killed for "looking suspicious." These lies, the one about Martin alone, undermine the credibility of every other claim in the article. So, I looked it up, and as I suspected, there is a little more to the story than that Till whistled at white woman.

Let me make it clear, there is no justification for what was done to him, and as you say, his death was 10 times more heinous than Davis', but horrible as his torture and murder were,the Yahoo account deliberately trivializes what happened and leaves out other details....and he may or may not have whistled at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till
According to Jones, the other boys reported that Till had a photograph of an integrated class at the school he attended in Chicago,[note 1] and Till bragged to the boys that the white children in the picture were his friends. He pointed to a white girl in the picture, or referred to a picture of a white girl that had come with his new wallet,[21] and said she was his girlfriend. One or more of the local boys dared Till to speak to Bryant.[20]

The facts of what took place in the store are still disputed but according to several versions, including allegations from some of the kids standing outside the store when Till walked in,[22] Till may have wolf-whistled at Bryant.[23] A newspaper account following his disappearance stated that Till sometimes whistled to alleviate his stuttering.[24] His speech was sometimes unclear; his mother said he had particular difficulty with pronouncing "b" sounds, and may have whistled to overcome problems asking for bubble gum.[25] According to other stories, Till may have grabbed Bryant's hand and asked her for a date, or said "Bye, baby" as he left the store,[12] or "You needn't be afraid of me, baby, I've been with white women before."[26]

Bryant testified during the murder trial that Till had made sexual advances and asked her for a date.[27] In her testimony, Bryant alleged that Till grabbed her hand while she was stocking candy and said, "How about a date, baby?"[27] She said that after she freed herself from his grasp, the young man followed her to the cash register,[27] grabbed her waist and said, "What's the matter baby, can't you take it?"[27] Bryant then allegedly freed herself, and Till told her, "You needn't be afraid of me, baby,"[27] used "one 'unprintable' word"[27] and said "I've been with white women before."[27] Bryant also alleged that one of Till's companions came into the store, grabbed him by the arm and ordered him to leave.[27]

Till's cousin, Simeon Wright, writing about the incident decades later, challenged Carolyn Bryant's account.[28] Entering the store "less than a minute" after Till was left inside alone with Bryant,[28] Wright saw no inappropriate behavior and heard "no lecherous conversation."[28] Wright said Till "paid for his items and we left the store together."[28] The FBI also noted in their 2006 investigation of the incident that a second anonymous source, who was confirmed to have been in the store at the same time as Till and his cousin, backed this claim as well.[21]

In any event, Bryant was so alarmed she ran outside to a car to retrieve a pistol from under the seat. Upon seeing her do this, the teenagers left immediately.[26] It was also acknowledged that while Bryant was running to her car, Till whistled.[21] However, it is disputed whether Till whistled towards Carolyn or towards a checkers game that was occurring just across the street.[21]
So, we don't know what really happened because there were no witnesses to what Till actually said or did except Bryant, the woman who claimed he did more than whistle. Wright is hardly objective and Bryant had plenty of reason to lie about what happened when her husband was being tried for murder.

Furthermore, while there was virulent racism in the period it's not quite so simple as the article would have us believe that all racist whites cynically let a couple good ole' boys get away with murder:
The prosecution was criticized for dismissing any potential juror who knew Milam or Bryant, for the fear that such a juror would vote to acquit. Afterward, Whitaker noted that this was a mistake as anyone who had personally known the defendants usually disliked them.[26][71] One juror voted twice to convict, but on the third discussion, acquiesced and voted with the rest of the jury to acquit.[73] In later interviews, the jurors acknowledged that they knew Bryant and Milam were guilty, but simply did not believe life imprisonment or the death penalty fit punishment for whites who had killed a black man.[74] This is somewhat disputed by later interviews with two jurors who stated as late as 2005 that they believed the defense's case, that the prosecution had not proven that Till had died, and that it was his body that was removed from the river.
Finally, once these guys had gotten away with it and admitted to killing Till they weren't exactly embraced by the community:
After Bryant and Milam admitted to killing Till in their interview, their support base eroded in Mississippi.[89] Many of their former friends and supporters, including those who had contributed to their defense funds, cut them off. Their shops went bankrupt and closed after blacks boycotted them, and banks refused them loans to plant crops.[26] After struggling to secure a loan and find someone who would rent to him, Milam managed to secure 217 acres and a $4,000 loan to plant cotton, but blacks refused to work for him, and he was forced to pay whites higher wages.[90] Eventually, Milam and Bryant relocated to Texas, but their infamy followed them, and they continued to receive extreme animosity from locals. After several years, they returned to Mississippi.[note 9] Milam found work as a heavy equipment operator, but ill health forced him into retirement. Over the years, Milam was tried for offenses such as assault and battery, writing bad checks, and using a stolen credit card. He died of spinal cancer in 1980, at the age of 61.[91]

Bryant worked as a welder while in Texas, until increasing blindness forced him to give up this employment. At some point, he and Carolyn divorced; he remarried in 1980. He opened a store in Ruleville, Mississippi and was convicted in 1984 and 1988 of food stamp fraud. In a 1985 interview, he denied that he had killed Till, but said: "if Emmett Till hadn't got out of line, it probably wouldn't have happened to him." Fearing economic boycotts and retaliation, Bryant lived a private life and refused to allow himself to be photographed or reveal the exact location of his store, explaining: "this new generation is different and I don't want to worry about a bullet some dark night".[92] He died of cancer in 1994, at the age of 63
by VMI77
Fri May 29, 2015 9:54 am
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C-dub wrote:http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... -kruidbos/

The state attorney that hid phone data from the defense lost again.
Corey and De La Rionda belong in prison. The fact they aren't in prison demonstrates just how corrupt the legal system is.
by VMI77
Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:19 pm
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C-dub wrote:And then there's this fool. No wonder MSNBC's rating are in the toilet.

What she hopes happened was the cause and justification for GZ's use of deadly force? :banghead:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/2 ... 53538.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Another cultural Marxist and SJW spouting her Marxist views at culturally Marxist indoctrination center. The only reason it's even "news" is because there is apparently a small conservative/libertarian leaf floating the Marxist river of social justice.
by VMI77
Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:42 am
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03Lightningrocks wrote:
jmra wrote:
PSTL*PAKR wrote:Zimmerman's true colors are finally starting to show. (even thou I knew he was guilty of murder). First his ex wife, now his girlfriend....Its coming to him. Not a matter of if, but when.....JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL :woohoo
"Guilty of murder"
"rlol"
Read much?
Interesting. I thought the media said his true color was white. Turns out he is brown. but that would not have fit the Sharpton narrative as well. As for the comment about murdering poor wittle twaytway...LOL. You have got to be kidding! Please be sure and get back to us on what you do if someone is ever bashing your head on the sidewalk. ;-)
Hey, you can't talk to him like that, he's got a CC badge avatar.
by VMI77
Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:51 pm
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by VMI77
Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:00 pm
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E.Marquez wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
philip964 wrote:It was reported today on the radio that Quanell X is helping the woman who shot the man with a rifle in the filling station in Houston avoid an indictment. He believes this was a clear case of "stand your ground" and she was well with in her rights to shoot and kill the man.

Glad we could get Quanell up to speed on "stand your ground". He must be reading this thread.
Apparently there is a off-element to this one: she took a photo of the guy she shot, and she left the scene. Even though in the video it looks like a good shoot, her subsequent actions may give her some problems.
As there are no additional facts forthcoming.... I can theorize .. She left for fear of reprisals, there were others standing around.. Friends of his?
She took the pics(video?) of the scene to ensure her "side" of the story would be supported with recorded evidence (knife? location of body?)

That said…. I await further investigation and facts being revealed..
Like.. Her statement she knew the man was from around the area, but did not personally know him… If that is a lie, it will be brought out soon enough.
Perhaps statements from the witness on site we can see in the video will shed some light.
Possible, but supposedly she didn't call the police either. There was a case in Florida where a pizza delivery guy shot someone trying to rob him at a housing project. As his buddies were all standing around when it happened, he picked up the gun, got back in his car, drove about two minutes to the pizza place where he worked, and called the police. Same motives as you're describing but validated by the call. He wasn't prosecuted. Oh yeah, and he emptied his mag into the guy because he just kept standing there with a gun in his hand and didn't go down.
by VMI77
Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:11 pm
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philip964 wrote:It was reported today on the radio that Quanell X is helping the woman who shot the man with a rifle in the filling station in Houston avoid an indictment. He believes this was a clear case of "stand your ground" and she was well with in her rights to shoot and kill the man.

Glad we could get Quanell up to speed on "stand your ground". He must be reading this thread.
Apparently there is a off-element to this one: she took a photo of the guy she shot, and she left the scene. Even though in the video it looks like a good shoot, her subsequent actions may give her some problems.
by VMI77
Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:17 pm
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MasterOfNone wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:One thing for sure. He certainly doesn't mind helping when he perceives a person is in trouble.
:iagree: But he'll probably now be called a wannabe fireman for his efforts.

This is actually a significant factor in the ongoing efforts to foster dependency on the government. Wannabe cop, wannabe fireman....are part and parcel of the same objective: to disparage and discourage non-government approved individuals from displaying any self-reliance and to foster helplessness and dependency.
by VMI77
Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:43 am
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ScooterSissy wrote:
philip964 wrote:Bottomline, NOT GUILTY of 2nd degree, I agree with. However, To me Zimmerman's actions were what we might expect a CHL neighborhood watch person would do. Not prudent, but not really out of line for what his neighbors expect him to be doing.

What is surprising has been the reaction to the shooting. It appears that the majority of the public and the newsmedia believes that a CHL is only to fire his gun, if the other person is armed and he is in fear of his life.

After this incident, I cannot imagine a CHL firing their gun in any situation out side of their home and not being initially arrested, especially if they are Caucasian and the person shot at is any other race.

He has been a lightning rod for the CHL community. We have all learned from his mistakes. It will cause us to hesitate in the future, only time will tell if that will work in our favor.

Imagine the outrage today, if Z had fired twice? What would be the reaction if TM was an honor student and was really college bound?
One of the problems on this forum that I see is that there are those that are naive enough to believe that all they have to do is somehow not do the things Zimmerman did "wrong", and they'll be OK if something similar were to happen to them.

Wrong wrong wrong. This is a case that the police, and the DA, looked at, and said "he was defending himself" and didn't charge. A politically ambitious DA then decided to pursue an innocent man, who was in fact defending himself, because of her agenda. No grand jury, no real evidence of a crime, but she pursued the case.

If anyone believes as they smugly sit back and say "he's disgraced other CHL holders, that would never happen to me", don't kid yourselves. All it will ever take is a politically ambitious prosecutor, and you can be George Zimmerman.

Instead of second-guessing what the evidence clearly shows, and making up scenarios that somehow make Zimmerman the bad guy, we (CHL holders) should be stating over and over again, We will defend ourselves. Don't attack us, and you won't even know we're carrying. Attack us, and you risk your life.
Absolutely correct, and if the politics demand it, you can be trashed the same way in virtually ANY self-defense situation, including inside your own home. Here, BTW, is a case where the shooter was black and the teen white.....first I've heard of it was this morning: http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_st ... ot-guilty/
by VMI77
Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:47 am
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ScooterSissy wrote:These are the same people that will call you a pig if you even hint that a woman who is raped should not have dressed provocatively.
They'll scream in outrage too if you suggest it's not a smart move going with a stranger to his hotel room or home, dressed provocatively, drunk, and then passing out.
by VMI77
Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:47 am
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Blindref757 wrote:I really have a difficult time understanding all of the blacks on TV today screaming about how this wasn't justice and that the US justice system is a failure.
The case was trumped up by the state AG, GZ had his day in court, the evidence and the witnesses gave their accounts, the jury obviously took their charge very seriously...and they issued a verdict. How is this not justice?

Is the term Justice a euphemism for Revenge in the black community today? Please, someone, help me understand.

The left and all their mindless followers have a different concept of justice. They don't believe in individual justice or innocent until proven guilty. Collectivists want "social justice" --which means punishing people in certain groups for perceived historical injustice or "unfairness." That means if you're White, you're walking around guilty for the past perceived sins of your ancestors, and subject to punishment to advance the notion of a "fair society," even though you yourself have committed no crime. Sometimes to achieve "social justice" you have to pretend a little when reality doesn't match desire, and then someone like GZ becomes a White-Hispanic in order to fit the "social justice" narrative. The facts aren't important in "social justice," only the story (the narrative) matters, and that is a tale manufactured to provide the necessary emotional engagement.
by VMI77
Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:37 am
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sjfcontrol wrote:
Blindref757 wrote:I really have a difficult time understanding all of the blacks on TV today screaming about how this wasn't justice and that the US justice system is a failure.
The case was trumped up by the state AG, GZ had his day in court, the evidence and the witnesses gave their accounts, the jury obviously took their charge very seriously...and they issued a verdict. How is this not justice?

Is the term Justice a euphemism for Revenge in the black community today? Please, someone, help me understand.
Well, I dare say that if he had been found guilty, we'd be screaming that this was not justice, too. It was actually a kangaroo court that returned an honest verdict. Go figure...
Yeah, on a blog, not out rioting, or protesting in the streets like all these idiots stirred up by the media.
by VMI77
Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:55 pm
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Pawpaw wrote:How long do you folks think it will take for the rioting to begin?
As long as it takes the media to heat things up by talking about how justice was denied because the jurors are racists.
by VMI77
Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:18 pm
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Valor wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:
Valor wrote:
And Zimmerman assaulted a cop and domestic battery. Then he's a thug as well. Thug on thug crime.
Pulease. The assault charge was 8 years prior, when he was 21. He "assualted" an undercover agent that he didn't know was an agent, who was manhandling his friend. The charges were eventually dismissed. LEO doesn't allow dismissal of charges in a real assault.

The domestic issue was purely a civil matter, and both parties had restraining orders issued.
Thank you for confirming Zimmerman's past aggressive behavior. And thanks again for inferring young men/boys do stupid stuff and can grow up to be productive citizens. Except in this case, one young person will not have a chance to chart a productive path. Realizing this is a public forum and all are entitled to express their opinion; I am angst by folks on both sides with their vilification and obvious biases of Martin and Zimmerman. FWIW, I challenge the pro-Martinites on liberal leaning boards that spew extreme bias as well.
Martin is dead because of the choices he made. All he had to do was go home. A beat down isn't stupid kid stuff. And under the law, Z should go free because there is no evidence to overcome reasonable doubt. This trial is purely about race and the left's cause of "social justice."
by VMI77
Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:12 pm
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clarionite wrote:
Valor wrote:
clarionite wrote: Would you assault that person and slam his head into the sidewalk?
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If I believe him to be creepy and he all of sudden began to dig in his pocket for an unknown object, and doing such his weapon was exposed. I too may fear for my life or bodily harm.

If he was reaching in his pocket, and you saw his weapon, you'd know he wasn't reaching for his weapon. You are however reaching for a reason to blame Zimmerman. It was presented in open court that Martin told his friend that he wasn't going to run, because he was home/almost home. Martin wasn't scared enough to have called police. He wasn't scared enough to have gone inside. He was ticked off that he was being followed by a "Cracker". He confronted Zimmerman, this too was presented in open court.

It comes down to what someone else on this thread stated earlier. Some people believe that disrespecting someone by keeping an eye on them, which isn't unusual or illegal, is grounds for assaulting the person disrespecting you. They also believe that it's unfair to prevent you from beating them to death, by shooting you. I suggest that it's not illegal, immoral, unusual or disrespectful to follow someone to be able to give a full accurate report to the police officer you know is on his way because you called that officer. As a matter of fact, I believe it's proper and usual. I know for a fact that (though not presented as evidence, but eluded to so they can confuse the jurors) that it's not illegal to ask what someone new is doing in your neighborhood, especially when it's a neighborhood that has a crime spree going on. I also believe it's not only proper but your duty to do everything within your power to make it home to your family when assaulted. If you take everything given as testimony in this trial, there's only one conclusion. Zimmerman acted reasonable given the circumstances. He was within his rights to defend himself with deadly force.
And even if none of what you say is true, the prosecution presented no evidence to overcome reasonable doubt, and even said in their own closing statement that no one knows what really happened --an admission of reasonable doubt. A conviction will be purely the outcome of racial politics. If the police had arrived before TM got shot, TM would have been prosecuted for assault, and as an adult too. Even a somewhat honest liberal law professor like Dershowitz says they didn't get past reasonable doubt and that the prosecutors should be prosecuted themselves, and disbarred.

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