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by Hoi Polloi
Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:24 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL shows up in background check
Replies: 68
Views: 12095

Re: CHL shows up in background check

My husband pointed out that Texas has confidentiality laws but other states do not. Is it possible they are pulling from those states who make their databases public?
by Hoi Polloi
Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:00 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL shows up in background check
Replies: 68
Views: 12095

Re: CHL shows up in background check

srothstein wrote:
chasfm11 wrote:Let's suppose that I'm in NM and have been pulled over for a traffic stop. Can the NM LEO pull the TCIC? I know that he/she should be able to pull the NCIC. I'm assuming that the TCIC would display protective orders, etc. in addition to the CHL.
The TCIC would display that information but it is not available outside the state of Texas. The NM officer would get his information through the NMCIC (or whatever they decided to call it). They would not see the warrants, CHL, or protective orders from Texas.
To clarify, while the New Mexico database (NMCIC [??]) wouldn't show a TX warrant or protective order and the New Mexico police would not be able to see the TX database (TCIC) that would, the national database (NCIC) might show them. If NCIC does show them then it will show to officers in all US states and territories. Whether something ends up in NCIC depends on the issuing state, as Steve explained.
by Hoi Polloi
Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:34 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL shows up in background check
Replies: 68
Views: 12095

Re: CHL shows up in background check

Off-topic: Why does the quick reply box show on some txchl boards and not on others? I just used in in Off Topic but there isn't one here.

In any case, it looks like the primary question to pose to the OP's acquaintance is whether this background check showing CHL status is coming from DPS or from other sources. If it is from one of those aggregate places, it would not be an issue of legality, but those here would be interested in knowing the source to limit that information being spread as much as possible.

While we can't limit everything, there are some things we can do. When we check off the boxes in those free drawings for a car at the ball park or mall asking if we have pets or children and what age and income bracket we're in and how many bedrooms are in our house, those are aggregated and put in marketing databases. If it was from a self-reporting source like that, we'd know to not report gun-related interests in those venues. Likewise, we have control over some other similar sources and it is good for people to understand how those sources are used.
by Hoi Polloi
Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:48 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL shows up in background check
Replies: 68
Views: 12095

Re: CHL shows up in background check

ELB wrote:
TxLobo wrote:...

(TCIC is Texas returns, databases that are pertinent to Texas only. CHL, Texas agency warrants and Protective Orders)
How interesting. Warrants (i.e. negtive/danger indicator), Protective Orders (another negative/danger indicator),... and CHLs. Of course one would lump felony-free, violent-misdemeanor-free, taxes-and-child-support-paid-up citizens in with people wanted on warrants and/or have POs filed against them. Makes perfect sense.

It may have been necessary politically, if wrong on principle, back in the 90s to pretend law enforcement had to be protected from CHL'ers, but I think that has long since ceased to be reasonable.. :mad5
If you are the victim being covered by a protective order it shows up in the same place. It's a catch-all category of other, not an indicator of risk.

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