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remanifest wrote:

Pawpaw wrote: While I'm glad you got your issue worked out, that does not bode well for most people who lack your connections. The "average Joe" is just out of luck.

Please write out the whole ordeal and send it to all of your Congresscritters. The BATFE needs to be taken to task for this stuff.

I do agree that this needs to be sorted out. It seems to me that the BATFE are the good guys in this scenario, and that the FBI is being downright hostile toward the 2nd amendment. How many of these recent psychopaths had obtained firearms legally, through the same process wherein I was denied, after previously being confirmed by the FBI to not be of concern in any manner whatsoever (proven by issuance of the LTC & my active security clearance)?

The last message I sent to my congressman, two months ago, has not been responded to, despite well-founded concerns. I have zero trust in Bill Flores, and he will not be receiving my vote.

remanifest wrote:Though this thread is pretty well dead, I wanted to post an update for those who may be watching.

My buddy at the FBI told me that the appeals department IS pretty much shut down. After I heard the automatic message that they were processing appeals from August 2015, this was his reaction.

Saturday, I went to the firearms store & explained all of this to the owner, who has been so cordial and a pleasure to talk to. She asked to give her a few days, and that she would call the ATF to discuss this situation with them. She also stated she's seen a huge uptick in "delay" and "deny" responses from the FBI since they switched to their new verification system.

Tuesday, she calls me up in the early afternoon to let me know I'm free to come by at my convenience with my license and my LTC, and that the firearm is mine. I'll be picking it up this Saturday :)

Gotta love when justice prevails!

cyphertext wrote:

TXBO wrote:

TxLobo wrote:

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:You're right. You don't need a receipt. But if you transfer a firearm anywhere on Planet Earth and you don't get a receipt you're a moron.

Reckon I'm a moron..

Yep. Me too. I have no record of any purchases or sales.

Me three... I see no reason to do any more or less than exactly what the law requires.

remanifest wrote:Thank you guys for all the input thus far.

To clarify, I did NOT have plastic in hand - just had been approved and had the card mailed, so the NICS was not out of line at all for the FFL.

I called the store today, and was told I had another denial on yesterday's application. There is absolutely nothing in my background - plastic is in hand today.

When I asked the FFL if they could sell the firearm without NICS now that I have plastic in hand, they said they couldn't because of the denial, and that I have to sort that out first. She said if I'd had plastic in hand she wouldn't have run me through NICS in the first place, so my prior statement to that effect for other LTC holders was based on a mistaken perception.

All I can do now is wait for the FBI to get their heads out of the sand. Next time, I'll bypass this whole thing with the LTC in hand. I trust this FFL - she's clearly indicated she's never run into this before, that she doesn't like the red tape, and she's sorry this is happening.

I'll keep this thread updated so we can all see where this goes - hope this post moves some of the hate away from the FFL, who seems to be doing everything right to me, and who has been nothing but kind and cordial to me & my family.

allisji wrote:It is still a requirement that we fill out the Form 4473 though right? The FFL just doesn't call in for the background check. Seems kinda silly to me, but I guess that Big Brother has to have some way that they can track us down and confiscate our guns...

remanifest wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

remanifest wrote:

TexAg08 wrote:Just curious, but why are they running you through NICS when you have an LTC?

No idea, but it's probably a CYA thing for them - I've seen them do that with guys who walk in the door after having obviously purchased several firearms through them, and who mentioned they had an LTC. Just SOP for their store, I think.

Well SOP for me, if I ever ran into that, would be to take my money elsewhere.

The ATF themselves say a valid Texas "concealed weapons permit" is an alternative to the background check: https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulatio ... rmit-chart

Very nice - thank you. This is great ammo for me to bring to the store and say, "please sell me the weapon". I've already put some cash into it on a layaway program. Great people, so I'd like to do business with them now and into the future. With so many rules and regulations for small businesses to follow, I wouldn't be surprised if they were just unaware of this.

remanifest wrote:

TexAg08 wrote:Just curious, but why are they running you through NICS when you have an LTC?

No idea, but it's probably a CYA thing for them - I've seen them do that with guys who walk in the door after having obviously purchased several firearms through them, and who mentioned they had an LTC. Just SOP for their store, I think.