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by BigMickey
Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:48 pm
Forum: Site Announcements, Questions & Suggestions
Topic: About Bashing the BATF
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Re: About Bashing the BATF

The Fourth Amendment provides, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons ... and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not ve violeated, and no Warrant shall issu, but upon probably cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place so searched, and the personal or things to be seized."

When you walk up to the access point with your carry on baggage you are required to dump your metal on your (ball point pens, keys, etc) in a box, run your carry on baggage and the box through a fluoroscope, and walk through a metal detector. If you beep, you search yourself for metal your forgot and go through again. Sometimes they wand you whether you beeped or not. Your baggage is electronically "sniffed" and you are often required to open your carry on baggage so someone can look through it because they saw something "funny" in it. Often, you are required to take off your shoes.

If you have a pocket knife, or nail clippers, or a nail file, or matches, or liquids in amounts greater than some mystical amount of ounces, or a wide variety of other items, they are seized, you are not given a receipt, and you will never get them back. You can, if you have the materials at hand, mail them back to yourself (except for some items).

If these are not searches and seizures, then I am at a loss to describe them. Oh, but they are legal, you say? Yes, they are because Congress, the President, the Secretary concerned (through regulations), etc., have all said so and the Supreme Court of the U.S. has not (yet) said they are violations of the Fourth Amendment.

Oh, but it is necessary, because of the terrorist threat! Are they, really? The only two instances of which I am aware where someone got aboard a plane with an explosive device were the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber, both of whom were prevented from completing their actions by alert and brave passengers. They got on, regardless of the TSA warrantless searches and seizures.

Then, there's the argument that you have to do this in order to fly. Why? If it's not effective, if it's not legal, if it is an unwarranted search and seizure of my property, what is the necessity of doing it in order for me to fly?

I just can't see it. I don't want to give up my liberty for a questionable security. (Sorry, Ben.)

Sorry to everyone else, too, as this carries the topic a bit far off topic. I'll restrain myself in future.

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