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Completely agree. I was completely in the pro OC camp, until damage control cost us everyting else.

Also, stripping the Dutton amendment is really no issue at all. If open carry becomes even somewhat commonplace by level headed individuals (those not affiliated with OCT/OCTC, ect.) who simply show their CHL when requested, LE will eventually stop bothering to check. If LEO checks rise to the point of becoming harrassment, document the occurances and lodge a complaint.

I know I am preaching to the choir here, but if you are asked for your CHL by LEO while OCing, simply comply without all of the "am I being detained?" and "am I suspected of committing a crime?" malarchy. If you decide to OC after it becomes legal, remember that, like it or not, you are representing the CHL community. OC of handguns can have a desensitizing effect on the general public IF done by the right people and done the right way! Unfortunately, the public has only seen/heard from the segment of the firearms community that happens to be the WRONG people doing it the WRONG way. There are times that I will probably OC, just for convenience sake. There are also times that I go out to breakfast dressed like a slob. I will make sure that those two events never happen at the same time.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Syntyr wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

Chas, after the dust has settled would you give us the scoop on who was throwing wrenches into this session so that we can adjust our votes accordingly? Although at this point I am almost afraid it would have to vote for none of the above...

Thanks

I'll be painfully candid. I am so mad now that I want to tell every single thing I know regardless who it hurts. When I cool down I'm certain I'll think better of that approach and be more of a statesman. I will not hesitate to point out the two guys most responsible, but that will hardly be a revelation.

Chas.

Wild guess here, their names rhyme with Fatrick and Frausse.

Come shoot IDPA with us at BK Thursday Chas............blow off some steam.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

safety1 wrote:

safety1 wrote:

Jason73 wrote:Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

Thanks for the post Jason73

Charles, any of this founded?
Thanks in advance!

I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

100%, I'm even more disqusted with politicians than I was before...........and that's saying A LOT!

Jason73 wrote:Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

The article was updated at 3:47 to include this:

Rep. Charlie Geren, R-Fort Worth, reacting to the Houston Chronicle's report of the possible deal, said, "The train is off the track.

"There is some concern that some people are using the press to negotiate, and we're not going to negotiate that way. So, right now, there is no deal. There is none. Zero," Geren said. "The train is off the track at this point, because we don't negotiate in the newspaper. We negotiate between the House and the Senate."

the political drama over tax-cuts has grown more intense, with major bills reportedly held up in both chambers as the leadership jockeyed for position on tax relief, a political plum for the chamber that can claim credit for cutting taxes.

It's amazing what can get done when no one cares who gets the credit..........needs to be on a huge plaque inside of both chambers.

Thanks TAM..........I ACTUALLY laughed out loud on that one.

[rant] This is absolutely pathetic! Here we are with the most conservative chambers in Texas' modern history and we are struggling to pass ONE high profile gun rights bill. With the makeup of this congress, passing HB910, SB11, and HB308 should be doable. Instead, we look like we are going to struggle with the one that does NOTHING to expand the places where we can protect ourselves. Faculty and students will continue to be vulnerable, an active shooter at a high school football game will still have a free-for-all, but hey, we should all rejoice because those in power are going to allow me to tuck in my shirt while I'm carrying provided that I only go the places that THEY will allow me to go.

Don't get me wrong, I have been vocally pro OC. I have expressed several times that I find it absurd that the difference between legally carrying and illegaly carrying is a peice of cloth. HB910/SB17 are crucial pieces of legislation for the sake of liberty. The ability to carry in whatever mode that I see fit is an expansion of liberty, but it is not an expansion in my ability to protect myself and my family. HB910/SB17 should be passed simply because it's none of the Government's buisness what manner I chose to carry my chosen tool for defense. HB308 and, to a lesser extent, SB11 should be passed because 1) the governement should not be telling law abiding citizens where they can and cannot go while engaged in legal behavior and 2) a person's need to have the ability to defend themself is just as high (higher) while returning to their car after attending a professional rodeo as it is while they are shopping at Walmart, the government should not be stripping citizens of that ability.

Strauss and Patrick need to put on their big boy panties and do the job they were sent to Austin to do and quit worrying about who gets to claim to be the author of a certain bill! Strauss needs to represent the people of Texas and not just the UT Chancellor! [/rant]